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Maybe that's why they called it Zoom as it saves you using the car so you have to make the noise like you are driving to the meeting in the old days!

Ah - I get it now

That's also probably why Mazda's strap line is "Zoom Zoom" as they get ready for 2030!

Good point in yesterdays paper where an hybrid/electric vehicle often pushes the price above £40k wiping out any savings over the sub £40k petrol/diesel version.

Not a great incentive to be greener

Agreed.

If the goal is to reduce emissions (and we ignore the fact that we extracted the materials and spent time building it) and looking at the the increased cost to get one car "off" the road. Would it be better to swap out three dirty old cars with three base model Dacia Sandero's?

Yet to see the incentive scheme for this one.

The current logarithmic inflation rate heading our way that we have seen the start of already will inhibit many from making the move !!

By October 1/3 of the population will be severely compromised financially and making very difficult choices certainly not based on the environment, that's the domain of the middle class to put this all in perspective boys ... Although it doesn't prevent the rest of us doing our little bit along the way any spare resources we have will be heading in the Sally Army's direction to assist the 1/3.

I'm not sure how accurate these figures are. That £13.75 for off peak, off street charging looks very cheap to me!

For example I don't know of any domestic electricity provider where the overnight cheap rate is only a quarter of the daytime standard rate.

If there is such a provider, I would be very interested in knowing who they are having just taken delivery if my Mini Electric and charging it overnight at the cheap rate.

Here's a link to the original article

There may be more detail in the forum they mention?

Using the figures in bold



It would mean they are using 183.5kwh a month at 50p per Kwh

To get the £13.75, the economy tariff would have to be 7.5p per Kwh. EDF offer a 4.5p Kwh - so possible to meet those figures. EDF

Glad to hear you've got your Mini Bob, hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine!

Apart from cost structure, the amount also depends of course on how much charge you're putting in every night.

I expect that we will see a decline in cheap overnight offers as more and more people want to charge and the demand rises. The only one offering a really cheap rate (Octopus) only offer it for 4 hours overnight so not enough time to get a large amount of charge into a battery even at 7.5KW.

I think it's best to do all the cost calculations based on charging at peak rates. If it makes sense then, it'll make sense any time. I'm paying a relatively eye-watering 40p/KWh with Ecotricity which is a flat rate regardless of time. Principles cost!

As for charge amount, I drive relatively economically, so I get around 4.2miles/KWh and I allow for about 15% losses in the charging process, so getting 1KWh into the battery means I take 1.15KWh from the grid.

So this £13.75 a month for me would mean 13.75/.40 = 34.37 Kwh / 1.15 = 29KWh into the car x 4.2 = 125 miles of range added per month - nowhere near enough me, at a cost of around 11p/mile. The bonus for me of course is that I can charge from my solar panels a lot of the time with spare power that would otherwise go to the grid and earn me nothing, so it's free motoring for much of the year..

In the 5 months I've owned my car I've done around 1700 miles, so about 340 miles a month and I don't use it for commuting to work, so around 3 times as much as this model would indicate. With average mileages of around 8k/year or c.650 miles a month people are going to be putting more like 180KWh/month into their batteries, more if they drive with a heavy foot.

But even as electricity prices rise, we can expect the costs of running ICE to increase faster as they introduce more and more disincentives to their use. An efficient ICE car doing an average of 45mpg with diesel at £1.80 or £8.28 a gallon costs 18p/mile, and we can expect that difference to widen further over the next few years.