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John V6 #749903 30/07/22 01:29 PM
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I have moved my following comments from the "brake failure" area to this post as its more applicable..


My questions to Morgan would be ( Engineering hat back on ).

AA: Are ALL the CX vehicles going to be fitted with a swirl pot to prevent thermal shock, if so, when/how?.. If its just specific vehicles to have the swirl pot, why.? Where is the information/notification for this work.

BB: Have the BMW vehicles fitted with the engines that Morgan use experienced similar radiator thermal shock issues, or is the Morgan cooling configuration vastly different.?

If as reported the Morgan factory are gearing up for the radiator work ( recall?? ), where is the information from Morgan... Surely they should be issuing notification to CX owners. How will this impact warranty for CX cars coming to the end of their factory warranty period.


There were no replies to the above post, when posted in the brake failure thread ( following other like posts ) . So I guess no one at the MMC are willing to comment or any dealer openly comment (and they must look at this forum)... I am about to complete the purchase of a MY 2020 Plus 6, which looks and drives beautifully, the dealer has been great so far. But I am now having second thoughts about the purchase ref the lack of information being given out by the MMC on the radiator mods and now the comments being made ref the suspension spring issues. It may be better to lose my deposit and keep my Trad Morgan, with this vehicle I have already fixed the problems with an alloy radiator and new rear leaf springs... I do not want to have to go through all this again on the Plus 6.

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Originally Posted by Davetherave
I have moved my following comments from the "brake failure" area to this post as its more applicable..

There were no replies to the above post, when posted in the brake failure thread ( following other like posts ) . So I guess no one at the MMC are willing to comment or any dealer openly comment (and they must look at this forum)... I am about to complete the purchase of a MY 2020 Plus 6, which looks and drives beautifully, the dealer has been great so far. But I am now having second thoughts about the purchase ref the lack of information being given out by the MMC on the radiator mods and now the comments being made ref the suspension spring issues. It may be better to lose my deposit and keep my Trad Morgan, with this vehicle I have already fixed the problems with an alloy radiator and new rear leaf springs... I do not want to have to go through all this again on the Plus 6.

I know what my decision would be, having also taken a couple of years to fine tune a Roadster, CX with warranty about to end...potential money pit & unusable downtime, complex mechanical & electrical dealer only fixes, and I suspect poor residual values ?


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I am sure there are legal types on this forum, bit is not the dealer in breach of contract for falling to supply?


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Originally Posted by Davetherave
I have moved my following comments from the "brake failure" area to this post as its more applicable..


My questions to Morgan would be ( Engineering hat back on ).

AA: Are ALL the CX vehicles going to be fitted with a swirl pot to prevent thermal shock, if so, when/how?.. If its just specific vehicles to have the swirl pot, why.? Where is the information/notification for this work.

BB: Have the BMW vehicles fitted with the engines that Morgan use experienced similar radiator thermal shock issues, or is the Morgan cooling configuration vastly different.?

If as reported the Morgan factory are gearing up for the radiator work ( recall?? ), where is the information from Morgan... Surely they should be issuing notification to CX owners. How will this impact warranty for CX cars coming to the end of their factory warranty period.


There were no replies to the above post, when posted in the brake failure thread ( following other like posts ) . So I guess no one at the MMC are willing to comment or any dealer openly comment (and they must look at this forum)... I am about to complete the purchase of a MY 2020 Plus 6, which looks and drives beautifully, the dealer has been great so far. But I am now having second thoughts about the purchase ref the lack of information being given out by the MMC on the radiator mods and now the comments being made ref the suspension spring issues. It may be better to lose my deposit and keep my Trad Morgan, with this vehicle I have already fixed the problems with an alloy radiator and new rear leaf springs... I do not want to have to go through all this again on the Plus 6.

So sad to read this Dave but I understand what you're going through......

Last edited by OZ 4/4; 30/07/22 07:28 PM.

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John V6 #749988 31/07/22 07:20 AM
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Car cooling systems are vastly more complex these days - besides huge heat surges from the turbo, fancy warm up cycles, engine/gearbox oil cooling etc, a lot of manufacturers cite the way their engines are slow to cool after shut down so that if they are restarted after a short or medium period (0.5-4 hours?) the engine is still warm enough to give immediately good emissions and fuel efficiency performance....not the case with a "cold" start

The packaging in the Morgan application is very different to BMW so it is likely the cooling systems in the Plus Four/Six will not have had the same level of detailed development....

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