Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Aero 8, 2012< Plus 8, SuperSports, Coupe & Aeromax Replacement of Parrot Series 5 Aero 8

Glad I could help.

If you are considering the use of separate satnav and ICE then do consider the problem of audio blocking. If you are listening to the music and the S/N burps a left turn message it can be drowned by the music. If you are running waze and spotify the phone semi-mutes the music to deliver the turn info as it is all designed to work together. If they are separate you end up turning the volume up and down depending on if the music is on or you are at speed.

What ever anyone says the engineering and real time content updates on Waze (or google maps which uses the same engine) cannot be matched. They can also be stored in advance of a journey.

So I took the Coupe into John Klies in Reading today to take a little look. They had some lovely stuff in there including a Pork 930 which was having a lot of hardware hidden in it. Work was very good looking at it.

The Coupe is previous generation to the S5 you highlight but I figure it is worth sharing the activity on the thread.

Does anyone know where the AMP is traditionally fitted in the Supersport/Coupe. I am told under the passenger seat but the Coupe has the Tillet Carbon seats and we cannot find anything through the slot or from either end.


Currently
It has the original factory fit Alpine CD117i unit. It is traditional in dash single DIN.
There is rumour it has an amp, I would be surprised given the feeble output. Trying to find it?
I replaced the rear 6x9 units with Focal high end some time back but in truth it was useless as the issue is driving them well.
The front mid 4x6 door and dash tweeters are standard and lost.

Goals
I wanted to add DAB (the aerial will be fun)
I want at least iPhone via bluetooth to use music and waze etc. Wireless Carplay would be top outcome.
I am not expecting to make phone calls given the noise in the Coupe alongside the sidepipes.
Given the quite big bottom on the Coupe I did want to see if I can get a reversing camera as the garage is quite tight.
Better sound quality as it is dire at present.

Bluetooth to the amp so just using iPhone, amp, speakers is one option but in the end not so good. Apparently this means the ability to change balance/mix/fade etc is not practical
New head unit is recommended plus wiring inspection as they feel it has been badly setup from the sound quality.
They are going to look for 4x6 front door speakers but choice is limited, also the tweeters may benefit from am upgrade. This will follow sorting the amp and head to see if they are worthwhile upgrades.

Head unit choice hit three options.
1. Bluetooth adapter onto the existing 117 with an adapter, still need to sort the sound quality etc and the adapter is 60% of the cost of a new DAB/BT head so that's out.
2. Basic mechless (no CD) modern head unit with DAB, good Bluetooth. Attach to amp, sort amp, sort cabling. (fight with sidepipes) (100-200 for the head)
3. Floating screen style single DIN unit which is adjusted to hang down below the DIN slot and not cover the speakers. We held a 7 and 9 inch screen in front of the dash and the 7 looked pretty good to my nerdy eyes.

I realise the iPad on the dash thing is not really "Morgan" however the Aero Coupe is a little off track for a Morgan anyway. Most of the 1 DIN normal head units are pretty ugly so putting them in is not going to make it any prettier than the existing tokyo-by-night thing. The iPad style screen floating in front of the dash is at least cleaner in style and very functional with wireless car play so the phone can hide. When we looked at the 7" screen floating in front of it I actually think it looks really good but I will admit to being a biased audience given my job for the last XX years has been around iPad style things. I get DAB, rear Camera, Wireless CarPlay, lots of adjustment, access to the switches.

What was it Robin Williams said in Good Morning Vietnam - why blend in when you can clash baby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aW_UNvmfU4

So best bet looks to be a tablet style head unit occupying the dash, work out if there is an amp and maybe sort that out plus the cabling to the speakers. Well that's birthday and christmas presents sorted out....oops.

All feedback welcome.

Alistair, please please, not the terrible tilting screen unit.
Regarding the amp I heard as well it was under the passenger seat but as far as I know it was optional. Mine did not have it.
This page unfortunately does not help:
https://www.aero-racing.co.uk/partsbooks/supersports/in_car_entertainment.htm

Alistair

I have looked under both seats of my Coupe but there is no amp in my car. The sound quality which I have is definitely powerful enough to put up a good fight with the side pipes so I assume that either the amp in the Pioneer AVH-Z7000DAB is good enough or at some point an additional amp has been fitted in the past that I have yet to find.

The system is also fitted with a reversing camera and parking sensor - but in reality you can't see anything on the reversing camera. The system has apple carplay which is fine for verbal navigation - but again the screen is completely useless as you can't see anything.

My dislike of the system I have, is not helped by the fact that every time I turn the ignition on, it is a race to press the start button before the screen covers it up and then the screen smacks the dash.

I have concluded that if I can get a single DIN unit with similar sound quality, apple car play and DAB - which matches the looks of the interior (and won't have an iPad floating screen) then I will be very happy. The screen for the reversing camera and satnav that I have is next to useless, other than when parked in the garage with no lighting on or underground car parks.

I am still trying to engage with Kraemer Automotive who I think are capable of giving me what I want, but so far they are not responding to any emails.

MJF,

thanks for the feedback The amp in your head unit does look quite powerful (4x50w in 4 ohms) which must make for a toasty install!

I thought I remembered looking at that head unit some time back and I was told you could program the stop angle as the display opened to avoid it braining itself. Is this any help ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA11Ui9lhw&ab_channel=pioneerelectronics

When you say Apple Carplay are you looking for wireless ACP? I specifically wanted wireless ACP which leads to a touchscreen of some sort.

I have been hunting any other installation spots for them amp and it would appear down at the front of the passenger footwell. There is an angled plank that your soles rest on. (not asking you to go grubbing around in the footwell).

I am going to take a look around in there tomorrow morning.

Quote for the floater came in yesterday, cough, cough.

Pioneer EVO64DAB Radio - £599.99
Pioneer UNI FIT KIT - £199
Hidden DAB Antenna Solution - £60
Labour - £675 (approx. 1.5days)
Consumables - £35

TOTAL - £1568.99

Burp.

I don't think that they are being naughty, just seems like overkill at this point. I am also showing my Aberdonian roots. You can take the minkey out of Aberdeen

I tried an email to Kraemer and got no response either.

Alistair

I have had a rummage in the footwell, looked up under the dash and through the boot and can not find any evidence of a further amp, so am concluding that the 50w per channel is all that I have got and that it is enough to provide sufficient noise to compete with the side pipes.

After I wrote my last post regarding the effectiveness (or not ) of the screen that I have on the current set up, I went down to the local shop in my wife's Smart and the sun was very low and very obviously shining on the screen and I had no problem seeing the screen. I therefore suspect that the issue I have is more related to the age of the screen technology which presumably is better on newer product.

The quote of nearly £1000 for installation of a £599.99 unit does make you stop and think a bit - presumably that included fitting of a reversing camera and parking sensors ?

No I am not necessarily looking for wireless ACP. I currently have a small lead in the passenger glove box area which is OK and charges the phone. I have the same set up in a DB11 which works for me, primarily because the battery life on my phone is a bit lacking, so I am happy to keep it plugged in and charging, so don't necessarily want wireless.

I will give Kraemer a prod in German tomorrow and see if that makes any difference, but they do appear to have the technology to deliver the functionality I want together with the design, so it is a bit frustrating that they can't even acknowledge the emails.

If it makes you feel any better this is what the previous custodian of my Plus 8 paid back in 1999 when the car was new, he worked in the music industry in London and kept the car in his Mews house ;-) The Blaupunkt is a 100w Bass Booster behind the passenger seat the output of the system is sufficient to overcome the Librands Sport exhaust if necessary, in truth I only turn it on when fettling/servicing in the garage.

"presumably that included fitting of a reversing camera and parking sensors ?" - nope! The nice man in me thinks they want to do a lovely job, re wire the speaker cables and make it great. The worry is they saw the shiny thing and added something. The first meeting was 3-4 hours for install ?

There are a couple of methods of "touch" being determined on a screen, in addition there are several screen types within the LCD family all of which go to making the difference. Modern screens are considerably better as they are often IPS instead of TN and so have better angle and clarity.

There are thin films (like iPhone screen protectors) that can be laid on the LCD to create a matt non-reflective finish. You can get them for laptop screens and cut to size. I have done that for some screens in the past. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mothca-Pro...rprint-Tempered/dp/B08PK97S3Y/ref=sr_1_3 I would say they do take a little brightness out of the screen.

Fair point around the wireless vs wired. I have become so used to using the Apple Magsafe option in the other cars and around my desk etc that the ability to literally slap it onto the mount as I settle has become native. Sad but I tend to live on IT.

I had a quick look for the type for touchscreens.

Older units are resistive (strength of push) and newer units are the same your smart phones, capacitive or touch sensitive. Capacitive is best.

Catching up on the discussion. Have checked my Aero series 5 and definately no amp under the seats or anywhere else in my opinion. So the 50 watts peak from Parrot unit is just about enough for my needs.

I had a look at the Pioneer EVO64DAB Radio and it looks good, what about the Sony equivalent which fits in a single DIN and screen can be at top/middle/bottom of unit plus swivel, seems cheaper and no need for special cage - link below
https://www.halfords.com/technology/car-audio/apple-carplay/sony-xav-ax8050d-car-stereo-with-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-342958.html?cm_mmc=Google+PLA-_-Motoring%3ETechnology%3ECar+Audio%3EApple+Carplay-_-Motoring%3ETechnology%3ECar+Audio%3EApple+Carplay-_-342958&istCompanyId=b8708c57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e&istFeedId=62b447cf-331e-4fec-a47a-9985ff72d404&istItemId=iiaiwxiit&istBid=t&_$ja=tsid:|cid:16710940973|agid:|tid:|crid:|nw:x|rnd:17849894554311104205|dvc:c|adp:|mt:|loc:9046138&gclid=CjwKCAjw6fyXBhBgEiwAhhiZsj4wHRxwSuFN4iKrn2_k19x5dB7nxDuCuPNHhbU5G8NG93frh7pfEBoCn2gQAvD_BwE

Apologies for long URL but blame Halfords. I have had quotes of £395 to replace Parrot so £400 doesn't sound unreasonable, I am still not sure how to get access to the P.arrot to remove it though