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Self charging hybrids seem the best compromise but sad that only petrol versions available now given cleanliness of current diesels. It seems that BEV's can be economical after jumping through expensive hoops to get power walls or at least off peak charging. What happens when such creates it's own peak though as I doubt the present concessionary rates will continue or at best the price gap will narrow. Whilst on the subject when are BEV's going to pay VED? Toting around their heavy batteries is just chewing up our already poorly maintained road surfaces, not to mention tyre dust pollution. On a positive note though the concerns folk had about not hearing them coming seems to have been answered with the tyre noise they produce  Richard it's a fallacy that VED is used for repairing roads, it never has been. It's a tax that goes straight to the exchequer. Fair point Keith but someone has to pay for roads repairs so why shouldn't BEV owners contribute a sum commensurate with the greater wear they place on our roads, no matter how indirectly. Richard how do you figure self-charging hybrids as being a good compromise?
I don't see the benefit of them and must be missing something ?
Meant only to educate myself as I don't get it? Simply that to mind they seemlessly embody the best of both worlds Alistair giving excellent mpg and minimal pollution with just the right amount of electrical assistance when it's deemed practical. Regenerative braking alone plays a major part in re-charging the modest size battery reducing costs and keeping weight down. Obviously no concerns regarding re-charging at home or en-route. I accept that technological breakthroughs in the future may change the running order but those are my thoughts at the moment. As I hinted it's a shame that modern diesel's, so clean in many cases they attract zero VED, are being outlawed given they could have offered even higher mpg figures. I note our near eight year old Mini Cooper D is still ULEZ compliant.
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[Toting around their heavy batteries is just chewing up our already poorly maintained road surfaces, not to mention tyre dust pollution. A Tesla 3 weighs less than a BMW 3 Series - and the tyres on mine have easily outlasted the tyres on my ICE cars. I have yet to see clouds of tyre dust pollution from BMW's, Audi's, Range Rovers and all the other heavier ICE engined cars mentioned - or the fact that they're just chewing up the roads. I don't mind paying road tax for using the road - but it probably needs a bit of a redesign as it's currently based on C02 emissions. My Morgan, which weighs very little is £630 a year.
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It’s road charging that’s coming down the tracks as ICE vehicles start to reduce and the £30 to £40 billion in taxes (fact check needed) go with them.
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[quote=RichardV6]Self charging hybrids seem the best compromise but sad that only petrol versions available now given cleanliness of current diesels. It seems that BEV's can be economical after jumping through expensive hoops to get power walls or at least off peak charging. What happens when such creates it's own peak though as I doubt the present concessionary rates will continue or at best the price gap will narrow. Whilst on the subject when are BEV's going to pay VED? Toting around their heavy batteries is just chewing up our already poorly maintained road surfaces, not to mention tyre dust pollution. On a positive note though the concerns folk had about not hearing them coming seems to have been answered with the tyre noise they produce Richard it's a fallacy that VED is used for repairing roads, it never has been. It's a tax that goes straight to the exchequer. Fair point Keith but someone has to pay for roads repairs so why shouldn't BEV owners contribute a sum commensurate with the greater wear they place on our roads, no matter how indirectly. Richard I agree, it's about time the VED was applied to the roads considering the disgusting state of our roads.
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An interesting twist regarding electric cars, is currently being reported here in the South West. Apparently very few camping sites in Devon, Cornwall and West Somerset are able to offer recharging points. The problem being reported stems from the lack of electric capacity available to these sites; many of which are in remote locations. Bud 4/4 - Stanley 
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Should be fine until electric cars make their way down the food chain ... I doubt many of the current purchasing demographic will be doing much camping! ... as long as the 5* hotels have chargers they'll be fine!! 🙂
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Bud,
I've been saying this for a year. The DNOs, who take power from the Grid to people and businesses, need to double capacity over the next 7 years: they admit that this is impossible from both financial and engineering perspectives.
The lack of capacity means that micro generation systems, wind and solar, cannot be connected either as there isn't sufficient capacity to take the power away amd of course there is no way to store excess power generated over demand.
Another report said that the average house uses 12kw/day, remove gas heating and replace with heat pumps takes this to 25kw/day. There isn't enough local capacity to do this. Add in EV charging and it increases to 30kw/day.
The Government's target of carbon neutrality by 2050 is as achievable as Putin becoming the next Pope.
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Should be fine until electric cars make their way down the food chain ... I doubt many of the current purchasing demographic will be doing much camping! ... as long as the 5* hotels have chargers they'll be fine!! 🙂
K Exactly that K, we have two plug in points in the Dartmouth central car park. All the visitors with second homes plug in at their properties or the one's they rent. The sparky's are kept busy alright, it's the same here in the village. Both owners of the properties and customers have plenty of disposable and are definately not caravan demographic. ps I have just been informed that LIDL have two pay as you go in their car park as of last week !
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An interesting twist regarding electric cars, is currently being reported here in the South West. Apparently very few camping sites in Devon, Cornwall and West Somerset are able to offer recharging points. The problem being reported stems from the lack of electric capacity available to these sites; many of which are in remote locations. Bud 4/4 - Stanley Simon it would appear that very few Plug in vehicles can tow anyway as it drains the batteries very quickly.
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