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Depends which way you look at it! 🤷‍♂️

See Harry and Lord Bamford for an alternative. It will take a while to get hydrogen for cars but I take heart from this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtxZY45RMM

Another factor (if it’s not already been discussed) are the ULEZ zones outside London that are likely to increase in number

Just been crunching some numbers on the EV option, and while I can be very creative on the man maths when it comes to open top sports cars, for the tin top a sensible financial head must prevail. So, while I was prepared to go electric for the next family car, I am struggling to justify it when it comes to making sense of the numbers EV v PHEV v ICE.

Decided on the BMW so not interested in alternative models, but what is interesting in the X1 is that the cars seem to be almost identical, including options, apart from the power train, allowing transparent price comparison.

So, just been on the configurator and with M spec + leather + premium sound + metallic paint + sunroof + tech package, I get the following OTR prices.

EV (iX1) £60616
+ wall charger @ £1200
PHEV (X1) £52205

Petrol 2.0 (X1) £42805

I am averaging only 4800 miles pa and expect this to remain similar going forward with petrol costs on the X1 2.0 @ approx 45mpg est £700pa

I have no tax planning benefit by going EV and expect insurance/road tax difference to be minimal so can't see how it can make any financial sense at this time to switch to battery mode - I am willing to pay a premium to go EV (maybe £5k ish) but £20k difference for the EV at my annual mileage seems crazy.

Unless I am missing something?

Thank you for sharing those facts, very illuminating in the cold light of day and I found the differentials quite a shock to be honest.

Agreed on all the above.

I remember people pointing out that the extra cost for a dirty diesel (£2-3k) required +15k miles per year to justify it through running costs and mpg.
If you look across several manufacturers it is a similar story with £10k+ for the BEV option.

Without the tax advantages (which will not last for ever) I just don't get the headlong plunge. Great for the government in additional tax revenues from the sale of ever more expensive cars but daft for the consumer? If people do manage to pull the funds together that is, as you outline above I think fewer will. It has made me delay replacing the ML. That and lower annual mileage as everything has gone work-from-home.

I do get the green agenda but this is going to keep all of the older higher emissions vehicles in the loop as people cannot/choose not to raise the cash to step up.

I think the headlong plunge Alistair is mostly fashion chasers, as its always been.

Electric isn't a viable long term solution for the masses. If it was, the infrastructure would be woefully inadequate.

There needs to be another way.

Just run an insurance quote on confused.com based on 6000 miles pa - Admiral lowest

EV £400pa

Petrol £340pa

Exactly. There’s not a chance I’m ever buying a new EV, the prices are insane compared to what I paid for my new diesel X3 just three years ago. Mind you, our second car is currently a PHEV and as there are some decently priced second hand EVs out there already, I might consider going all electric on that given we have solar and a 12p/kWh off peak tariff and won’t need to charge it anywhere other than home.

As a recent "convert" to EV usage for general minimal mileage everyday usage, I doubt the numbers would ever personally add up in our situation, so why buy an EV...?

First off our Evoque was seven years old and had twice in 28k miles since new had let us down with wheel sensor issues, the last of which I repaired myself as the LR dealership determined it would be perhaps seven weeks before they could look at it, first failure took them three weeks to book it in.. So I guess it seems obvious that it was wise to seek an alternative vehicle type...?

Even my alternative tin top sports car used as backup to the family barge, threw up a coolant warning, while the barge was in dry dock..!!! Fortunately it`s dealership was able to book it in and repair it within 7 days... I was glad I had taken out the extended manufacturers warranty when I bought it..!

Why an EV..Hmm..? I suspect there were many considerations, and more so for an old Luddite such as I relative to my natural desires to be as self reliant as possible over many years if not decades, however time and tide etc.etc.etc... So crawling about the garage floor let alone getting up off it as I still do (just) when maintaining my Morgan, but with all of the complexity of modern machinery fault finding and spares backup, which I am no stranger to, these days for me it just seems best to leave repairs and maintenance to others.

My unfortunate LR dealership experience had me somewhat frustrated, which manufacturer to trust, as much as any can be trusted to turn out a reasonably fault free machine...?

It seems Tesla had perhaps scooped up the NASA brains when they cut back on staffing some years back, with that in mind if seeking to start fresh in EV design, that seemed to be a reasonable foundation to build upon...?

It does seem by comparison other manufacturers may be evolving from their ICE vehicle building experience towards EV as a step in an evolutionary process, as opposed to building something entirely new, and in the process perhaps trying to retain aspects of design and functionality of their ICE machines to encourage those reluctant to adopt EV ownership, thinking it is not too much of a leap into the future... Those Luddite types are ever trying to put the brakes on everything new.......

The Tesla... I view it as not much more than a personal transportation device which covers so many of the usual operational requirements to pilot a vehicle safely and hopefully in that respect will make driving safer with less in the way of operational distractions to allow more thought and time to consider all else that is happening on the road around during any journey..?

I note the earlier discussion on home charging.... A 13 amp socket can come with so very many limitations that make it unsuitable to carry 13 amps, let alone over the time it might be required to top up or fully charge an EV battery.

Logical questions would seem to be how old is the wiring and socket arrangement, I suspect there may be many far from new homes with a 13A socket connected on to original wiring that perhaps once supplied a round pin socket of 5 or 15 amps...? Thus a bit of thought seems best applied and the services of a certificated electrician or contractor is best engaged..?

Even with a new 13a socket installation such can be the overall electrical LOADING in terms of amps + time, that there are perhaps risks best assessed in terms of choosing a time of day/night when to charge, and when there is less in the way of other household requirements for electrical demand..?

In the case of Tesla, the wall CONNECTOR is just that and NOT a charger, the charger is built into the car, the connector is just an intelligent means of connecting to the household electrical supply, or if a 13A socket is used the car limits the charge to 10 amps..

The functionality of EV`s and their charging systems are quite something. If you are interested in EV you might like to beam up using the link below, all be it Tesla, you might find interest in the aspects of driving and charging as contained in short clips for each of the Tesla models available..?

https://www.tesla.com/support/meet-your-tesla