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The sins of the fathers etc etc comes to mind.
My first secondary school was opened by Field Marshall Lord Montgomery, named after him, but the we went on a school trip down the Rhine in1959 and another the following year to Innsbruck and Salzburg . Reflecting back that was some gesture, possibly a brave one. Hand of friendship .
The Bible talks of sins of the father going for three or 4 generations but mercy can be achieved. Did not loose anyone in the war but I can see how it would and could effect some people even today.
Thankfully and hopefully we will all not be involved in another European war but things look a little bleak currently.
Heading to Germany in a few days and intend to stay in Landua so as to report my findings to another TMer who intends to go there.
You hide your tourism under a bushel (if that translates !) as we just love Germany…..
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Originally Posted by Luddite
Originally Posted by +8Rich
Well I thought this was the space for BOF's once I saw gomog on here posting George.

My late Father was a brilliant pilot his Log Books tell me, but at everything else he made a complete mess of his life - so once again we have opposing views as the only thing I ever listened and learnt from him was flying.

Sorry Richard, the mention of gomog flew over my head, ( no pun intended) though happy to type that Lorne and I are of a similar age, and that I counted myself fortunate to have enjoyed his friendship and company in times past..

My mention of the father and son was no more than a generalisation and in no way related to my own father who was a far better man than I could ever be...

Opposing views are not an issue for me, they hopefully add to my wider education, though I well understand that those who might expect others to believe in that which they themselves believe in, and to the same degree as they do, may by their nature may make their point a tad more forcefully, perhaps dependant on their frame of mind while typing.... Shrug.

BTW, I learned the "shrug" from conversing with Lorne on the MSCC DG in the mid 90`s, seems he was well ahead of the game before it became obvious that it was all to simple for poor punctuation skills to entirely alter the perceived intended meaning of words initially typed, long before it seems the much needed smiley faces and their likes exploded onto the scene...(-:
In serch of a measure of synergy, at least you, Lorne and I favour the same old Rover V8 powering our Morgans... (-:

As always, each to their own works well enough for me....

You get me totally wrong as a practising old fart - I have no wish for anyone to concur with my ideology or agree with me that is exactly what I rail against I look for people that challenge my ideas and the accepted norms and thus show spirit and display individual thoughts and strengths.

As you say we all have a different stand point and perspective in life shaped partly by our upbringing and open exhausts and powerful engines of aircraft featured highly so it is no wonder that I gravitated to a Morgan Plus 8. The same power to weight, smells and joy of handling are shared values and once I was aware of them in 1971 I knew I had to have one, so bought one unseen or driven from Helen Thorne, trained up from Devon paid cash for it and drove it back home to it's glorious soundtrack and the rest is history.

Coincidently I met the woman who was to become my wife the same year as my Plus 8 yearning some 55 years ago now when she was 16 and both are whole of life wonders for me with nothing else even getting close to deflecting me tbh - some glittery things appear now and again but slight distractions only it seems as with both they are totally honest and frank and not lost to the world of unnecessary electronic gadgetry of the newer generation of cars and womanhood ....


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Originally Posted by bmgermany
Originally Posted by +8Rich
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Being of Polish Jewish stock I shall never unsee the glass cabinets full of spectacles and shoes of children in Auschwitz - don't ever ask me to forgive the Krauts as the simple fact is they are easily led and to this day love a uniform.

They had destroyed my Fathers family before his eyes so he walked to France, hitched a ride across the channel on a French boat (even then they could be bought for a bottle of scotch) and fronted up at the nearest RAF Station letting them know he wanted to fly a Spitfire and kill Krauts as he was 16 and had already learnt to fly in a Jungmeister ironically in Poland so he got in a Tiger Moth and showed them how it should be flown to the absolute limit side slipping his way in to a three pointer.

His dreams were realised many times over although the pain would never heal for him I'm sure but he thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience and flew up until his untimely death at 64 having instructed hundreds of pupils as a CFI of two Norfolk Flying Groups.

So good luck with the AfD a little enlightenment for the unknowing..


The Hitler regime inflicted unspeakable suffering on many nations!
Although I was born after the Second World War, I have repeatedly been confronted with it directly in my professional life.
For example, from 1990 onwards, I had an office at the ‘Schule am Bullenhusener Damm’ for several years, and during that time I tried to make young people aware of the atrocities.
Here is some background information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullenhuser_Damm

On a personal level, too, the crimes of that era have certainly had an impact on me:

In Germany, there is the term ‘Kriegsenkel’ (war grandchild).
I first heard this term a few years ago.
It took several more years before I recalled a sentence I’d heard from my mother as a young boy: ‘When we fled across the frozen lagoon back then’ (‘escape across the Frische Haff’).

This experience of a little 11-year-old girl in January/February 1945 explains a great deal.
(Flight, winter (-20°), fear of the approaching Russian soldiers...)

I have now learnt through conversations that many other people (often even younger than me) have also been shaped by their parents’ traumatic experiences.

These experiences have not necessarily allowed the childhoods of generations following the Second World War to unfold in a positive way...




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Bernd,

Thank you for your painful honesty and history of that dreadful place in Hamburg of which I had no idea existed.

We spent many happy hours walking around the Alster and enjoying the city and it's beautiful old buildings when we worked out there in Zeven.

The same can be said for Bremen and so many of your reconstructed cities and the Harz on a good winters day takes some beating with the ski jump in action and a gluhwein in your hand watching the brave souls flinging themselves into the ether on nothing but hope,

The same quality that carries us all forward despite or because of our upbringing and exposure to good and bad alike.

I am pleased to say that Heather and I made some lifetime friends in Germany during our time working out there (3 years) and came back with No1 Daughter thanks to the Kreis Krankenhaus who enjoyed dual nationality up until 16 when she had to exercise her choice.

Later when we made our family base in our Devon village ( I continued traveling overseas but Heather was a proper full time Mum to our three as time progressed) we have seen three couples from Germany relocate and settle and are pleased to count them amongst our friends too.

Interestingly of late the same has applied to three young American couples who have relocated to have and grow their families as a direct result of the current regime in their homeland and it's trajectory.


I am thankful that these new generation Germans managed to rid me of the (understandable maybe) hatred and vitriolic that my late Father tainted me with, as you say it has been a long and ultimately rewarding journey.


Kind regards

Richard


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