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#823368 05/12/2025 9:50 AM
by Gambalunga
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Remember when we were all encouraged to buy diesel powered cars because they produced less CO2 than petrol.
Now the FIAT group are discontinuing diesel engines. From the next style updates FIAT and Alfa Romeo will only be producing mild hybrid (petrol) and battery electric vehicles.
At the same time the region of Piemonte is banning, from October, all diesel cars that are less than Euro 5 from cities of over 30,000 inhabitants. This, if not postponed, will make 250,000 vehicles of people who live in Piemonte unable to enter towns such as Torino, Asti, Novara and Alessandria.
I understand the concern about polution but since the introduction of exhaust fine carbon particle filters that problem has largely been solved except for the fact that all vehicles, even BEV, produce fine carbon particles from brakes and tyres. The other issue with diesel engines is NOx; at least with Euro 6 vehicles that use AdBlue also that problem has been largely solved and it remains that diesel produces less CO2 and consumes less fuel than equivalent petrol powered vehicles.
I can't help feeling that the enactment of regulations like this are more political than based on actual reality of the issue of polution and global warming.
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#823377 May 12th a 11:36 AM
by JohnHarris
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Sue's Mercedes SLK AMG diesel auto is a Euro 6, one of the very last to enjoy the very low £35 VED, for a car that can do over !50 mph and 6.6 secs 0 to 62 mph, goes like a stink with 368 ft lbs of torque from a 2.1 litre engine, capable of close to 70 mpg at a constant 70 mph (even with the roof down) with the engine only ticking over at about 1400 revs in 9th at that speed.

Quite a car which Mercedes no longer makes since the SLC finished in 2021. although the diesel variant finished in 2017 and something we will keep as long as possible, as yet there is nothing to compete with its performance, economy and cleaner emissions short of an EV.
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#823407 May 12th a 06:39 PM
by BobtheTrain
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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by BobtheTrain
Originally Posted by Hamwich
a workable alternative for HGVs.
The Railway?

Wouldn't that be something? To restore all the lost lines and add more on top, and with modern signalling and train management technologies you could probably run much denser traffic too. Flipping marvellous.
Actually, the density of traffic depends on line speed and gradient, weight of trains and their braking distance. We have had 4 aspect signalling now for quite a few years, 5 aspect was tried but was ditched. We have had ERSE (Electronic Route Setting Equipment) for some time as well, before the railway was sold off cheaply privatised.
Graham, that's what I was thinking, long haul then local deliveries.
Bring back British Rail.
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#823399 May 12th a 04:43 PM
by BobtheTrain
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Originally Posted by Hamwich
a workable alternative for HGVs.
The Railway?
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#823463 May 13th a 04:54 PM
by Alistair
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There is a rumour about Aberdonians and spending which likely means they mostly do it at home on cheap rate, lets not waste that hard earnt cash.
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