Talk Morgan Forums Thread Like Summary - Berrybrook Aero Plus8 advert

A fabulous car so surely worth a proof read by whoever the boss might be as this says shoddy and scant attention to detail to me !

A beauty

Get shot of the coffin, rear rack and Paddy sticker, align the right rear exhaust and it just might sell...

Sitting in the driver's seat, the green leather compliments the walnut dash that has a glove box space, the dials look retro but modern, the air con works really well and the black leather Moto-lita steering wheel feels great in your hand. Because it’s a later Plus 8, power steering means this is a modern car in sleeps clothing.

Underneath the aluminium panels is the space frame chassis, foreshadowing what would later become the CX line of Morgans. The BMW power plant also hints what is to come, the V8 with quad exhaust, lets you know when you put your foot to the floor however it’s not loud enough to upset the neighbours.

Surely it's a monocoque is it not - happy to be corrected as always..

After Peter J's tale of woe with Williams with electronics on Tarka I wouldn't go near an Aero chassis at all as there is zero factory support and Scifab is no longer in the game.

An aquaintance of mine has an Aero in with BB at present for Service and MOT so it will be interesting to see what attention is paid to detail on delivery of service as it is his first visit to them.


He has had some abysmal service from Henry Williams on another Aero chassis even though the invoices have been monumental so I am hoping for the best outcome from the garage that is bereft of writing abilities !!

On my 2016 series 5 aero airbags were optional so they were likely not optioned at build.

As Morgan experts, ( including the MOT tester), you should be aware that all aero based Morgans left the factory with an airbag fitted with the exception of the speedster & the Mk 1. The plus 8 definitely had airbags fitted.

To a non expert its obvious that the passenger glovebox is not as it left the factory.

I'm trying to think of words to describe that barnacle on the back of the car.

Morgan - finely constructed by Master Craftsmen. Trunk - not so much.

It's also displaying illegal black 'n silver number plates, not a good example from an MMC approved dealer

Many years ago the MSCC would not feature photos of Mogs with illegal 'plates in the Mag or Calendar

As a dealership we would require the next owner to sign a waver about modifications on a vehicle.

It's not upto the tester to know spec of a car given to them, they have to follow the guide lines set to either pass, fail or advise.

And to put your minds at rest, it left the factory without any airbags and is stated in a letter with the car file.

So now if any of you are interested in purchasing the car, please let me know.

We can all make mistukes when touch typing to post …..but when you are selling something you double check ! Whoever let this go out wants their nuts chopped off ! Isn’t it also a bit pricey ?
MM

Highly likely as a Plus 8 (not a speedster) it left the factor with two airbags. These look to have been deleted.

Don't think its ilegal but it would have to be declared to your insurance company as a modification for sure.

Just put it into AI: yes its regarded as illegal to remove safety equipment if used on the road. It's also regarded as a major defect when submitting it for an MOT.

It maybe a modified Speedster which came from the factory without air bags.

Dreadful, but sadly it doesn't surprise me at all. I have posted here previously about badly written advertisements but it seems that even main dealers don't have access to someone with basic skills in spelling or grammar. A free online tool like Grammarly would have picked up most of the errors but apparently not worth the bother.

I particularly winced at: "traditional Morgan waterfall chrome grill at the back however there is a lovely good-sized truck to store luggage." The waterfall grill at the back must be hidden by that truck.

99 pictures, but not one showing the car with the hood up. Pitiful.

What if someone who is not familiar with the factory spec of the Aero Plus 8 buys it and then has an accident - would insurance fail to pay out because the 'standard safety equipment' had been removed? And if so, who is then liable: the dealer who knew it should be there, but sold the car as roadworthy, or the individual who unknowingly bought an illegal vehicle?

A quote from AI:

MOT Test RegulationsDefinite Failure (if caught). The DVSA (formerly VOSA) MOT inspection manual states that a vehicle will fail if an airbag fitted as original equipment is obviously missing or defective. If the inspector spots a non-airbag wheel on a model that required one, it is an automatic fail.The Dashboard Light CatchPass or Fail Loophole. In practice, many aftermarket modifications pass the MOT only if the "resistor trick" keeps the warning light off and the installation looks factory-neat. However, an eagle-eyed tester who knows the Aero 8's exact spec can still fail it.Insurance PoliciesRisk of Voided Coverage. Removing standard safety equipment is a major modification. If you do not explicitly declare it to your insurer, they can completely void your policy, leaving you personally liable in an accident.

It almost certainly breaches the Consumer Rights Act. A dealer must not knowingly sell a vehicle which has been illegally modified. The purchaser would find out as soon as they tried to insure it and presumably would wish to exercise their rights and return the vehicle.

In practice I'd imagine that the dealer would offer the car with the original steering wheel (and passenger airbag), leaving it to the customer to decide. Either way it seems like an enormous risk to take even without the obvious safety implications.

Another reason to stick with buying older cars if you want to modify them!