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Well today I raised the front and checked the tie rods. On the face of it all seemed very tight indeed. However I thought I would just back off the lock nuts and check the actual tension. When I did it was clear there wasn’t any pre load or tension in the rods at all, on either side. There may have been tension originally when the car was built but that had now dissipated. This probably explains my original squeak! So what to do? I thought it might be prudent to restore a little tension to improve the rigidity so jacked the car in the center such that the lower axle beam was spot on level (wheels off). I was quite impressed how straight the lower axle beam actually was. I then applied a little tension in the rods, about 1.5 turns of the nut each side. I have no idea if this is adequate but didn’t want to over stress anything. This was enough to changed the angle of the out board portion of the lower axle by around 0.2 degrees on each side. So everything is nicely symmetrical with a little tension now. Previously the car drove very nicely anyway and this is only a minor tweak so hopefully it won’t change anything too much . A test drive tomorrow, we shall see how things go….  There is guidance on gomog about this…I know that because I have had two broken tie rods in the past after hitting pot holes. Basically, you need to jack up off the ground, place axle stands inboard close to the cross frame and also place props (i use an old bottle jack) just touching the cross frame as far outboard as you can go. Then jack under the king pins and as you gently increase the lift, the crossframe should leave the inner and outer supports at the same time, You will find that it needs quite a lot of tension on the rods to achieve the desired result.
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Thanks Doug, that’s interesting. I was quite wary of over tensioning. These tie rods don’t look particularly strong and I can’t see what the benefit would be from a structural perspective to go overboard. As you say you have had two broken rods so there does appear to be an inherent limit to avoid nuisance breaking, particularly given the state of our roads now. I’m happy for the moment that at least I now have some tensional stress back in the structure and the outer portions of the lower axle appear equally strained, and the car rides the bumps beautifully too. In hindsight perhaps for the record I should have recorded the torque...
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GoMog advice on adjusting tie rods here.
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GoMog advice on adjusting tie rods here. I notice that the sketch referred to, showing position of axle stands has disappeared Also, when I last did it, I think I released the clamps on the over rider brackets first, otherwise the rods would be fighting a much more rigid structure, and there could then be a danger of overtightening to achieve the desired effect.
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Discovered the other day before a quick spin out that I had a screw in one of the tyres, which accounted for the PSI of only 16.
Bought one of those self repair kits on Amazon where you effectively push in a sticky strip of rubber to seal the hole. Took more force than I imagined, but worked a treat. Plenty of more strips in the hand kit, now gives me reassurance should I pick up a puncture mid journey. Purchased a handy cordless compressor as well which takes up less space than a conventional pump, which automatically stops when at the correct PSI. Jobs a good un. I would not trust this old school method. Not sure such a standalone repair is legal nowadays anyway. Your local tyre shop will provide (if deemed possible) ideally a combination repair, vulcanising a patch from inside of tyre as well as sealing hole caused by foreign body after preparation. The latter is important to avoid ingress of moisture which can degrade internal steel belts over time.
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There is no way I would use one of these kits except as a get you home device much like a space saver. Having spent 10 years as a roads policing officer I have seen the results of tyre failure on A roads and Motorways. If I get a puncture I get a new tyre, my life and others depend on that little patch of rubber. Incidentally the Police never repair tyres always replace.
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There is no way I would use one of these kits except as a get you home device much like a space saver. Having spent 10 years as a roads policing officer I have seen the results of tyre failure on A roads and Motorways. If I get a puncture I get a new tyre, my life and others depend on that little patch of rubber. Incidentally the Police never repair tyres always replace. I agree, it is only a temporary repair till I get the tyre replaced.
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Replaced old wiper blades with those from Melvyn Rutter. 7" improved design. They look much more professional. Was easy to put on. Looking forward to rain to check out. See pic: old vs new. ![[Linked Image]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52934916507_7ed4e2bd01_o.jpg) wiper old by Werni Wehrli, auf Flickr ![[Linked Image]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52935904145_3576699ea5_o.jpg) wiper new by Werni Wehrli, auf Flickr
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