Be careful what you wish for you may end up married again with a shed full of kids and no Mog. Anyway you can't date in a mog so I hear innocent. Go and have a go in each a 4/4 has chuckability a +8 has grunt a +4 a little of both a roadster a bit like a +8 without the grunt . If you are out to catch a woman then you should be asking the pretty side of life not us ugly grumpy looking lot hide . Ask Julia and the girls at the Mog mag what they like in a mog who know's they may do a write up ( that would be a laugh ). Beware you dont crack up I slipped up on Sunday walking past a load of shoes , I said "those look nice " pantsdown quiet. So she bought two pairs ( blue & red deck shoes ) I have to pay for one pair banghead. But being a woman she had to have some new clothes to go with them , so I spent a long time in the womens clothes dept crazy3. Glad to get out, 12-30am snug in bed she comes into the room puts the light on and asks are you awake , "NO" irkedthen puts on her new clothes and asks me what she looks like in them . I DONT UNDERSTAND WOMEN AT ALL . Who but a woman ( swmbo ) would disturb your sexy dream I was just about to potter on with the mog .