FWTIW, when I brought my 3W'er back to Morgan New England for its 1000 mile service, Larry commented that it was the best sounding M3W he's heard and questioned what I did to it. Since the Stage 1 kit was back-ordered and I ran out of patience, I had removed the cat's and 1st and 3rd baffles but not the middle ones. My boring bit was too dull by then so that wasn't intentional. I then wrapped the headers (titanium) all the way back to the juncture and added a Stealth intake. Larry has installed a few Stage 1's and performed several bafflectomies but never removed the cats before. Consensus was that the combo of losing the cats plus retention of the longer (i.e. past the ears) stock pipes, plus perhaps retention of the middle baffle, gives the most pleasing tone. Performance increase and heat reduction aside.