Just looking again at Dave's graph for his Honda K20 Civc Type-R engined Z-Cars Mini.

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And highlighting the all important area under the curve is quite revealing when I compare the same on Monty's graph.

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Monty has plenty under the curve thumbs

Ok so Dave's Mini definitely makes 12hp more, but it only arrives at the very top end, everywhere else and in the rev range you actually use in the real world, the faster car is defiantly Monty, with a meaningful 15% more torque.

Happy with that woohoo