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Have soon to be M3W owners done the training course yet, or got one arranged?

Met Colin from 3WD today at the Open Day at Richard Thorne Classics near Reading and his operation sounds good. Basically IAM on 3 wheels I think, and if you ordered a 3Wheeler between Feb and April this year you get a 1/2 day sessions for free. It all sounds very professional and I will try to book my session on the day of my Factory Visit when I go to see my car in build.

RTCC laid on an excellent day today and the same is planned for tomorrow too. If you're local and fancy an excellent trip out to drive any of the Morgan range and meet great enthusiastic people (with tea and cake thrown in), then head for Grazeley in the morning!

Now got my complimentary 1/2 day training course booked for the back end of May

I did a training in Belgium (where I go with all my new cars),
it is very usefull and it gives a lot of confidence in both handling and stability under braking (which is amazingly good)

Did my 3 Wheel Drive course this week, and boy did I learn an awful lot!

The 3 Wheel Drive car felt so different to the pre-preproduction demonstrator I tried last year. The cockpit is still an incredibly tight squeeze and the pedal box will need to be set as far forward as possible for me to drive without frequent breaks for my left leg to stop aching.

The course teaches you how to drive the M3W properly and safely get the most out of its incredible performance.

The 3 Wheel Drive car ran without fault or bevel box whine. In fact the soundtrack was amazing.

I discovered, when pulling out at the first road junction, that the back end can step out of line very easily in the wet. I also learn't what Bump Steer really is. The severity of it came as an real shock as I have never experienced anything like it on any previous car I have driven. I guess its a trait of the car and something I will probably have to live with........

The M3W demanded my full concentration, but the rewards were fantastic when I got things right.

I would absolutely recommend the 3 Wheel Drive course to any prospective M3W owners because it is such a different experience to any 'normal' car. I realised that every ride will be a thrilling adventure - can't wait for mine to arrive!!

"I also learn't what Bump Steer really is. The severity of it came as an real shock as I have never experienced anything like it on any previous car I have driven. I guess its a trait of the car and something I will probably have to live with........"

Well. it seems that Morgan Motor Co. in their wisdom take the view that this is all part and parcel of the Three Wheeler experience and should be accepted by owners. The only trouble is, that it doesn't have to be this way just because the car only has three wheels. The early cars didn't do this, the Autocar road test car received the very highest praise for the steering, which I am sure it would not have done if they tested a current production one.

I think that the more people who moan to Morgan about this, the more they are likely to take a view that it is unacceptable, dangerous even, and do something about it.

Or, perhaps they really don't care, as long as the orders are flooding in?

I agree with PaulJ, bump steer is not something you should learn to live with or all part of "the character" of a car, it is bad steering geometry. It can be rectified by correcting the relative positions of the front suspension components, something that Morgan should be doing now.

I'm curious to know why, if bump steer is such an issue, you have placed an order for another M3W and are selling your present one?

I could understand you doing so if the bump steer issue had been resolved, but couldn't be rectified on existing cars.

My take on the M3W is it's a car that you need to concentrate on when driving - both hands on the wheel - I was brought up on A35's, Land Rover Series 1's etc that jump all over the place I find the 3 wheeler great to drive - a real mix of modern reliability (hopefully) with a vintage feel and performance - it's not a predictable MX5 of which I've had a couple - they made me smile - but not as much as this !

I think that Plus 4 haas asked a fair question, if bump steer is such an issue, why have I sold my first three wheeler and ordered another one.

The very simple answer is that the atrocious bump steer is not enough to put me off a lovely car, but it is enough to make a fuss about, because, in this day and age, it should not be a problem. There is enough knowledge out there to eliminate this dangerous behaviour. Just because the MMC is a relatively small car company, does not mean they can pass off a product that has a serious design flaw, without complaints, no matter how good the rest of the package is.

Whilst I have heard people on here say they are prepared to put up with this deficiency, I have not heard one person defend it. It is not right and the manufacturer should be seeking to fix it. It is as simple as that.

When I take delivery of my new car in a week or so, I will be doing all I can to seek a cure for the problem, which, if it can be made to work, will make the experience even better.

Plus 4, I can not say more. Do you understand now why I am whinging, but still want to spend good money on another car?