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Today I lost a set of keys including ignition, door and fuel cap. Luckily I have a spare set but as I do not have a code for the ignition key I wonder if it is possible to get a replacement made from the spare. Does anyone have experience of this?
My car has a duratec engine is it a standard ford key or do I need to go to a Morgan dealer.

You will have to go to a Morgan dealer to get the new key to work with the ECU. It has a chip in it that is read by the ECU as part of the imobiliser system and the ECU has to be programed to accept the new chip (or vice versa). I think we actually received 4 ignition keys with the car. No idea what the key actually is, I would suspect a Ford key.

Henry,
My 2010 +4 Duratec has given me key problems with the immobiliser module dropping out making the car unusable.
The local specialist key guy programmed the keys for me but had to order in a key which had enough 'meat' on the plastic end to allow it to be drilled out and have an immobiliser module inserted. It's a bit like a 1" long matchstick.
They will need the car and all the keys as they will all need programming again to the same code.
The key Co I used is in Aylesbury and charged £80.00 for a new key plus reprogramming and they did get in a stock of key blanks some 18 months ago
Whilst you are at this key business check that the modules are fixed into all the keys with adhesive - all mine dropped out at some stage .

Which model? I had this done for my 2005 zetec-engined 4/4 by a local vehicle key specialist (actually a cobbler's shop with a sideline!) becuase when I bought it there was only one key.

Most Morgan dealers cannot do this themsleves - they will have to contract to a specialist. Neither can a Ford dealer (wrong type of key).

In my car it was a ford type "chip" (actually a Texas 4D) but a Land Rover key (from a Freelander - this is the origin of the steering wheel/switch/ignition binnacle)! Suitable blanks were obtained direct from MMC, the original key "lands" were read on a microscope, the new ones cut, and the ECU reprogrammed by connecting to the OBD interface (under the dash). I did write it up on this forum - here's the text:

"I now have three keys. It was handed over with just one and the others have not been found. I had to order 2 new keys from MMC via the dealer (key part no MDE1986, transponder chip part no MDE1987) and have the keys cut by a local specialist who also recoded the ECU and keys at a reasonable cost of £50. Finding the diagnostic port was the hardest part - well hidden up under the glovebox. The dealer is going to reimburse the cost (supplied with only one key). So it is not correct that a lost master key requires a new ECU. If anyone else finds themself in this situation, I now know what needs to be done and have kept details. It is a Ford ECU/immobiiser system, yet the key itself is a Freelander key - adapted to take a Texas 4D transponder - and is unique to MMC so you can't just order one from an aftermarket supplier."

Perhaps that helps.

Good luck
Nigel

OK lets work out what the problem is with the original keys they booth have a different random serial number and at the factory they teach the car that these specific keys start the car as the are the only ones in the world wit that serial number. It could be the Morgan factory or the ecu / lock factory it matters not!

Theses keys are also physically cut to fit the steering lock so even more unique.

So you only have one key left there are two ways to sort this.

1 You buy a key from Morgan which probably still needs physically cut and get someone, either a dealer or autolocksmith to connect their box of tricks and teach the car that this new key serial number again unique can start the car cost say £100 or so and if it is a modern car with a remote nearer £250.

On the other hand if you take your key to Timpsons and they have that blank available and they can read the code.

They will copy the actual cut of the key to the blank then they will read the original keys unique number and write that same number to your new key transponder chip.

The car now has two keys with the correct number it does not care so it starts with either one of them.

Cost circa £35 if Timpsons have the blank. On our Mazda they had them in stock on our Suzuki Jeep they had to order the blank and it took a few days for delivery and a second visit to clone the key.

eddie

As in my post above you will need to get the blank from Morgan, and this then has to be cut (the key specialists have a microscope and CNC cutter to duplicate the lands exactly), and the transponder chip (must be the correct type of chip too) is identified to the ECU. This programming of the ECU to accept the new key is simple if the specialist has the right software and laptop to connect to your OBD2 port. In my case it only cost £50 for two new keys, excluding the cost of the blanks from Morgan which had to be ordered via a dealer - MMC would not supply me personally.

Actually the whole business of cloning keys seems like a car crime support service, doesn't it?

Nigel

Well I had the most amazing stroke of luck. I contacted Brand Hatch Morgan to inquire about key replacement and was informed that they had been called by someone who had found a set of keys with a BHM fob. It seems that I had dropped the keys outside my house and somehow they go wedged underneath the car probably on the silencer. I had then traveled some 20 miles from home before they fell off. A kind sole found them and was good enough to call the number on the fob, I picked them up from his house on Tuesday. I still cannot believe my luck.

Time to but a Lotto ticket!

Bud
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2003 - 4/4

Better still -- one of the Euromillions lot - why restrict yourself to a mere million or two!!!

You are one lucky boy!!!!!

Lucky!
I had some similar luck at Monza race track the other day. I returned to the car, unlocked it, and then could not find the ignition key which I keep on a separate tag. Searched the car, searched under the car, even took off the spare wheel. No luck after half an hour of searching: nothing for it but to retrace my steps and search the various paths, stands etc where I had been.

I turned right and the person who had helped me search, an employee of the track, turned left and saw my key 2 metres away. Apparently I had dropped it when I got out the bunch of keys to unlock the car.

Mind you there is a lot of difference between 2 metres and 20 miles