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Spend a few days looking round the car then list all the faults and put it in a letter to your dealer. They will all get fixed under warrenty. It might take a little time but they will all get fixed to your satisfaction.
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Agree, not good, take it back, and get factory to fix.
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In 2009 I had a new 2009 4/4, this had bonnet issues. It was very uneven so it went back to the factory, upon return it was not much better so it went back again, still not much better. It went back for a third time, it measured 3/8 under the edge on the drivers side and 5/8 under the passengers side. When I went to collect the car it was still the same and their answer was it is hand made and that was within tolerance, what a lode of rubbish. I asked what is the tolerance, I did not get a reply on that one. I was so frustrated with the factory reply I sold the car. I would love another new 4/4 but there has to be a way to have a good bonnet fit.
The excuse is to give clearance and it is hand made.
I previously worked for a company that restored vintage cars. When we made a new bonnet for a vintage car it would have 1/8 clearance around front and back and no more than ¼ at the bottom edge.
As we are all car enthusiasts on this forum then I assume all will have seen some or other vintage car to have a look at the bonnet fit. These cars flex and vibrate just like a Morgan but you can not get half you hand under the bottom edge.
If the car vibrates and flexes then how will this affect the bonnet to wing clearance so much? The rear edge of the wing is attached to the bulkhead, the front edge of the wing is attached to the front cowl and the bonnet is attached to both in the centre. If the front goes up then the front of the bonnet goes with it along with the wing that is also attached. The gap should only have a minimal change with the flexing and twisting.
I am afraid it is just a cop out, if the factory is convinced there needs to be a substantial bonnet to wing gap then it should be the same on every car and the same left to right sides of the bonnet.
Hand made means each piece is custom made for that car and made to fit that cars opening not just made by hand to any old dimension that takes your fancy.
Call me a fussy ald git but things should be right, Morgan are living on a bygone eras age of hand made quality products at quality prices. I am sure there are people on this forum remember the times when you went to the Taylor to have a suit made. It was made to fit you with it the same length at both sides, if it did not fit then it did not fit, you would not be told it was hand made therefore you have to accept it.
I have wanted to get this off my chest for a long time since I sold my 4/4 and now feel better about it. I do still think the factory should do something about this bonnet fit though as I do find it unacceptable.I do realy have to get another as they are such good fun
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To be honest mate, if you look around every trad Morgan ever made you'll find the bonnet gap is about half an inch or so. This is actually a Very Good Thing.
An old vintage car producing a few tens of HP isn't going to produce much heat, but modern Mogs have engines producing a few hundred horsepower, and the shape of the engine bay can cause issues with underbonnet temperature buildup, Having wide bonnet gaps does go some way to mitigate this problem.
If you're the type to let that kind of thing bother you, then you might find there are other cars out there that suit your temperament better.
It seems to me, however, to be an awfully trivial reason to forgo all that fun - after all, you can't see the bonnet gap when you're driving, can you?
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"It seems to me, however, to be an awfully trivial reason to forgo all that fun - after all, you can't see the bonnet gap when you're driving, can you?"
Well such a strange thing to say, you can not see all the muck on you wires when you drive but you still like then to look clean.
The Caterhams have much more powerfull engines but they do not have such a big gap any yes i have had one and an Atom all fun cars.
When I pay quality money I want quality. I went to Tatton Park car show a few years ago and there was one of those awfull kit car Morgan copies with an ally bonnet, not a nice car at all but it only had 1/4 inch even bonnet to wing gap, it wad an insult
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Speak as I find it, I have had six morgans and the bonnet fit has good and never a worry to me. The bonnet in question clearly looks wrong. But a bottom gap of 6mm and 4mm on the other side would never cause me to sell or not buy a morgan.
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If you're the type to let that kind of thing bother you, then you might find there are other cars out there that suit your temperament better.
+1  The bonnet fits on my 4/4 are fine (by me). The gap along the wing being even and just big enough not to trap my fingers. It came as a shock when closing the bonnet on a 4/4 Sport and finding it did trap my fingers!  Bud 
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In 2009 I had a new 2009 4/4, this had bonnet issues. It was very uneven so it went back to the factory, upon return it was not much better so it went back again, still not much better. It went back for a third time, it measured 3/8 under the edge on the drivers side and 5/8 under the passengers side. When I went to collect the car it was still the same and their answer was it is hand made and that was within tolerance, what a lode of rubbish. I asked what is the tolerance, I did not get a reply on that one. I was so frustrated with the factory reply I sold the car. I would love another new 4/4 but there has to be a way to have a good bonnet fit.
The excuse is to give clearance and it is hand made.
I previously worked for a company that restored vintage cars. When we made a new bonnet for a vintage car it would have 1/8 clearance around front and back and no more than ¼ at the bottom edge.
As we are all car enthusiasts on this forum then I assume all will have seen some or other vintage car to have a look at the bonnet fit. These cars flex and vibrate just like a Morgan but you can not get half you hand under the bottom edge.
If the car vibrates and flexes then how will this affect the bonnet to wing clearance so much? The rear edge of the wing is attached to the bulkhead, the front edge of the wing is attached to the front cowl and the bonnet is attached to both in the centre. If the front goes up then the front of the bonnet goes with it along with the wing that is also attached. The gap should only have a minimal change with the flexing and twisting.
I am afraid it is just a cop out, if the factory is convinced there needs to be a substantial bonnet to wing gap then it should be the same on every car and the same left to right sides of the bonnet.
Hand made means each piece is custom made for that car and made to fit that cars opening not just made by hand to any old dimension that takes your fancy.
Call me a fussy ald git but things should be right, Morgan are living on a bygone eras age of hand made quality products at quality prices. I am sure there are people on this forum remember the times when you went to the Taylor to have a suit made. It was made to fit you with it the same length at both sides, if it did not fit then it did not fit, you would not be told it was hand made therefore you have to accept it.
I have wanted to get this off my chest for a long time since I sold my 4/4 and now feel better about it. I do still think the factory should do something about this bonnet fit though as I do find it unacceptable.I do realy have to get another as they are such good fun
I do tend to agree with you........and it is lovely to get things off your chest isn't it!  I have a '74 4/4 4 seater and have readily accepted all the foibles, inaccuracies,startling asymmetries, and idiosyncrasies etc that came with it because it is a car of a bygone era. I suspect I am very much like a lot of the guys on this site, I like things to be just so. OK.....I'm anally retentive ( just a little.  ) some would say a perfectionist and my own worst enemy. And I am probably carrying over a ridiculous standard of working tolerances from my profession ( dentistry ), but if I had to tolerate these things on a brand new Mog, ( that is also nowhere near as easy to work on as the older vitage ) I would not be happy. As you quite rightly say, these cars are so b....y enjoyable that we tend to forgive all the foibles! I love my Mog for all it's failings but if I were to buy a new one my expectations would be a whole lot higher   Neil.
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"But a bottom gap of 6mm and 4mm on the other side would never cause me to sell or not buy a morgan."
Ths wouk not bother me either, in fact that would be realy good. What i had was 3/8 (9mm) drivers side and 5/8 (16mm) the passengers side
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"It seems to me, however, to be an awfully trivial reason to forgo all that fun - after all, you can't see the bonnet gap when you're driving, can you?"
Well such a strange thing to say, you can not see all the muck on you wires when you drive but you still like then to look clean.
The Caterhams have much more powerfull engines but they do not have such a big gap any yes i have had one and an Atom all fun cars.
When I pay quality money I want quality. I went to Tatton Park car show a few years ago and there was one of those awfull kit car Morgan copies with an ally bonnet, not a nice car at all but it only had 1/4 inch even bonnet to wing gap, it wad an insult I was trying to make the point that a car is for driving, not looking at. There are loads of sports cars out there, if you don't like the way Morgans are built then there are lots of alternatives which would probably suit you better.
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