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Lifted this from another forum; wondered if anyone else had heard about the issue? I know we have at least one resident expert.
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STONE MASTIC ASPHALT AND ITS DANGERS
Reading through as much of this website as I can it has become clear to me that its members appear to be in ignorance of the fact that the government, through the local Highways Authorities, is busily covering the roads of the UK with a surfacing whose skid resistance, i.e. slipperiness, is so suspect that its use is banned in some other countries. I refer to a material known generically as stone mastic asphalt, or SMA.

I became painfully aware of SMA about a year ago. I am a seventy year old retired police inspector, who has ridden motorcycles for fifty-four years, all over Europe and North America. I was one of the first to pass the IAM motorcycle test, and I sat for twelve years on the motorcycle committee of the RAC. I think I can truthfully claim to be an experienced motorcyclist and, yes, I also own a mark 3 MX-5. I was riding a brand new Moto-Guzzi 750 motorcycle at 45mph along the A1124 in Essex, at just before noon on a fine Sunday morning. Traffic was very light, and the recently re-surfaced road was dry and smooth, i.e. perfect conditions. A car a hundred or so yards ahead of me indicated a right turn, so I shut off a little and reached for the brake. The next thing I knew I was bouncing along the road, wondering what on earth had happened. I sustained a badly broken wrist as a result. Needless to say I was mystified as to what had caused me to skid, until the police officer who attended said he could see no sign of anything that would have made me come off, but the road surface felt "greasy". This reminded me of a documentary I saw, and if you log on to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/file_on_4/4278419.stm you can read a summary of the programme yourself.

SMA is well-liked by local authorities because it is hard wearing, porous and quietens tyre noise to a surprising degree. Instead of rolling granite chips into hot tar, the chips are pre-coated with bitumen. The bitumen is made to stick to the chippings by an oil-based mastic, and this is where the problem lies. Until the mastic is worn off the surface, it has a low skid-resistance (although the authorities will deny this). There used to be an article on the Highways Authorities and Utilities Committee website in which this was clearly admitted, but it seems to have been removed just recently, and I am reliably informed that it is being re-written. Fortunately I took a copy. SMA was tested by the government's Highways Agency in the early 1990s, and found to be dangerous enough for its use not to be recommended. However, something happened subsequently to prompt a change of mind (I wonder what that was? Change of government perhaps?).

Following my accident I have learned that another rider crashed on the A1124 some weeks before me and was killed. Another with thirty years experience came off in Dorset and has lost the use of his left arm. Don't think you are safe on four wheels. I have read on that BBC website of a police officer losing his wife when he skidded on SMA in South Wales; a doctor being killed in Shropshire; and the latest to come to my notice occurred on the A31 at Barton, in Hampshire, in which a driver was killed after losing control on a corner. Following the inquest in this last case, the SMA was removed and replaced with Shellgrip. Even the British Horse Society has been protesting because horses lose their footing on it. Why has there not been an uproar from the motoring community?

My insurance company has instructed solicitors to pursue a claim against the council, and if anyone has any information that might assist this I would be obliged if they would let me have it.

Incidentally, does anyone know what was used to re-surface Bristol Airport runway that made it so slippery that airline pilots refused to land on it? Sounds awfully like SMA.

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I remember being told a story by a friend about a good friend of his loosing control of his car on a corner for no reason. Thankfully his car went off the road, into a field and therfore while the car was damaged, he wasn't hurt.

Upon exiting the car, bewildered as to why he had left the road with such haste, he watched another car suffer exactly the same fate - thankfully missing his car but ending up in the same field.

Upon checking the road surface they found (what I believe) is the same substance I believe the above text mentions.

As there were no warning signs, I believe the local council had to cover the cost of repairs but, as per normal, not before a lot of legal wrangling and attempts to pass the blame/responsibility. banghead

They seem to be dumping this stuff on every road local to me at the moment - awful thing and made all the more enjoyable when some numpty drives past you going in the opposite direct at speed, thereby peppering the side of your car with grit and tar.

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I believe Andyman is an expert in this field notworthy


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There has been comment in 'Horse and Hound' concerning slippery road surfaces and I recall it being the same compound implicated in equine falls - don't forget that they have permanent 4WD!read
Probably time the motoring organisations got involved!


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Very scary. I know my car got peppered with stone chips on a new laid section near Oswestry earlier this year.


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Not exactly and expert but here goes.

SMA is a different from 'surface dressing' which I think Simon is referring to. This is where small stone 'chippings' are applied to a bitumen applied top an exsisting road surface and then rolled. Quite a lot have to be removed with road sweepers but until the surface settles down those that are loose get flung about in all directions , hence the signs and the 10 or 20 mph signs (which no one adheres to), hence the stones get flung around etc. mad


SMA is a road surface which has a smoother texture than the 'traditional' hot rolled asphalt road surafce which had large 'pre coated' chippings pressed in with a roller. This gave a much more uneven surface texture and hence noise , ride etc. oldgit

Hope this helps (a bit)


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