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Help!, I have extensions to the kingpin nipples & wish to grease them, but what make of grease to use. My Morgan is a 1986 +8 located in Australia.


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Originally Posted By RonB
Help!, I have extensions to the kingpin nipples & wish to grease them, but what make of grease to use. My Morgan is a 1986 +8 located in Australia.


Ron, I will have a minority view here so I expect to be outnumbered or even criticised but here goes.

The majority of 'greasers' pump grease into the stub axle nipple as well as doing the same for the kingpin top nipple. I believe that this is not the best approach and I'll explain why.

Originally, my Plus 8 was fitted with the 'one-shot' oiler that directed engine oil into the front suspension via unions at the kingpin top. When the car was re-chassised by David Rutherford, he removed the 'one-shot' oiler valve and associated pipework and replaced them with a nipple on the kingpin top. David's advice was to use grease (I use Castrol SMX moly grease or similar) in the stub axle and heavy oil (EP90) for the top nipple.

Here's the logic: The kingpin and stub axle not only provides axial / rotational movement (for steering) but also linear movement (for suspension). The problem is the linear movement as this 'sweeps' the grease from between the bearing surfaces.

The stub axle grease nipple injects grease directly through the two bronze bushes. The small diameter oilway through the kingpin was there for directing oil into the area between the bearings. Being an oilway it is too small as well as being rather long as an effective means of greasing with the small but attendant risk of the grease going 'solid' and blocking the oilway.

Morgan didn't use the 'one-shot' oiler for nothing; it's purpose was to direct oil to the area of wear to assist the grease. Essentially the grease formed a seal and the oil provided the means of getting a grease/oil mixture lubricant directly past the bearings and overcome the areas of the kingpin/bearing that would be swept of grease. The problem with the 'oneshot' oiler was over use and modern thin oil: it made an unholy mess of the suspension.

EP90 is much, much thicker and is held in the stubaxle chamber by the grease. To use, pump grease into the stubaxle as usual and using a separate grease gun, inject EP90 into the kingpin top. The gun will go 'solid' when the stubaxle chamber is filled.

This works for me and the kinpins haven't been replaced since 1990 (I don't do a high annual mileage of course!). I stripped sides both down last winter and the wear was well, well within acceptable limits.

As I said on starting out, I expect to have a minority view but though that some might find the solution and particularly the rationale useful or interesting. It works for me!

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Originally Posted By sospan
I've shy'd away from the remote greasing system as getting under the car enables quick visuals and nut tightening to be done as well. I found a cracked wing stay earlier this year in this way enabling replacement before any issues developed.
Being nimble and agile like the athlete I am means there's no real issue!
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My Mog is lucky enough to be parked on a hyd lift so visuals are easy as is some spanner work if necessary !


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As the person who arranged with the "Nipple Company" to produce the remote greasing kit, most detractors are missing the point! Whether you use a remote kit or not it is ESSENTIAL to check all fasteners on a Mog from time to time - BUT - it's not necessary every time the kingpins could do with a shot of grease. I contend that with the kit it is easy to just keep the grease level "topped up" with little effort. It avoids putting too much grease at one time which may happen as people want to "give it a good go while I'm under here" which may result in the grease on the disks!!!
The fact that so many kits have been sold( at no benefit to me - I just wanted to pass on an idea) woul seem to bear out that the kit has merit. Much of the comment reminds me of the ostrich with its head down!!!!

Each to his own, I guess!!!!


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David Rutherford told me the same to use heavy gear oil on the top. still afraid to try it.


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The draw back is that you need two guns; one for grease, the other for EP90.

By the way, I'm not a detractor of the remote greasing kit! Personally, I'd use it for oil for the reasons explained. Each to their own!

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I have had both but frankly it takes 2 mins to get underneath & grease. You can also check the grease is coming out in the right places


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David, if you can find it 120 weight oil is even better... smile


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how would chain oil work.


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