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I'm sure we all concur, here. There are many people down at the factory with glowing foreheads from slapping them, because they must be rueing the day Charles Morgan opened his mouth at Geneva..

If you're coming down to MMC give us a shout - you could do with a beer..

maybe CM realist the problem, and whant a good solution, and was fired. (the costs)

All Chasis from the cars has to be checed by X-Ray for micro cracks, to get shure nothing destrouyd the structure.

The bold on solution is to soft, they must give new, better chasis to the owners. And a bold on, on a maybe pre dammaged Chasis???? No dealer can realy check the chasis.
When a chasis break under driving, you can have a very bad accident.

Steve , I really can't see how one person can be blamed for the 3 wheeler problems .

Charles Morgan didn't design , test or build the car , that was the responsbiity of other people .

The fact that they kept producing them without correcting the known faults mainly went on after he left , as did the pathetic attempts to deny the issues even existed . The responsibility lies with a number of people , they must all wish they'd dealt with things sooner in a more professional way .

Thanks Calum,... just saw the pictures from your car damn, I had never tought that the 'already corrected Mk. 1.5 chassis will be also concerned ....I will contact my Dealer next week
Hope the manage yours accurately

Was at Williams yesterday and here is a picture of the parts, although they don't have the fixings yet.

Thanks for the pic Black Adder -interesting.

Mike is right...BUT a new chassis ..I very much doubt that.

Welded...yes ..if possible..or even tack welded in??

Whilst it is true that the problems are very much of Morgan's making, not helped by denial, probably because of product liability litigation, one has to feel very sorry for them right now, having to rebuild 1000 or so cars could be disasterous financially for them, although, the Three Wheeler brand is a company on its' own, so if it goes into bankruptcy because of this, it shouldn't bring the whole company down, but even then, it could be hugely expensive and damaging to the main company.

On the brighter side, (if there is one) Callum has done a considerable mileage already, before this problem, and he will be getting a new chassis, and possibly one or two other little goodies fitted whilst the car is apart, right Callum? But I have seen cracked chassis on quite low mileage cars as well.

Dan makes a good observation, in that there should also be something to lock the two forward ends of the top chassis tube together, even a bolt in bar would help. I wonder if we will ultimately see this solution on a future chassis Dan?

The previous bolt in bar didn't make a lot of difference so simply moving it forward likely wouldn't make a lot of difference either.
Thinking on the arrangement last night (over a dram of course to help the process) my feeling is that the rocking of the engine is moving the top tubes in the horizontal plane in synch with each other so the older style bolt in cross brace simply holds them in synch without really restricting the amplitude of the motion. The revised, welded in triangulated brace will stop that movement from the main cross brace forward to the pick up points on the main tubes. The new brace should do a similar job in that plane but the clamp on to the main cross brace will have to be good to do the job. It could be that the main cause of the fatigue problem is this constant rocking movement which is then exacerbated by suspension loadings.
Just my thoughts...not the output from some fancy computer model.

Sounds like a good explanation Calum .

The welded in brace on my new chassis does come quite a long way forward ,upto the rear of the front wishbone mounting , around 2 inches back from the end of the tube .

I did find that the car felt noticably different with the new chassis (and uprights) much tighter somehow . Of course this may have been because I'd been driving round for some time with the cracked one !

If someone god forbid dies in a car that as a cracked frame ,Morgan will have a lot to answer to dont you think ,all of people keep defending Morgan but let face the Morgan 3 wheeler was wrong from the start ,Morgan had money on there mind ,not safety and customer service, such a sham dont you think