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Very drole! Yes, I remember that. I cleverly waited a year for them to sort out all the problems...

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The speed at which the ARP4 sold compared to some other Ltd editions would indicate that people like something a little different even if some call it bling.


impressive as it seems like all 50 cars were sold without a single demo drive!


And without Type Approval, I have been told.


so cars are not road legal?

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I seem to remember the first 3.7 Roadster being taken for "type approval", so I would expect the first ARP4 to go the same route.

Here is the summary:
Within Europe, two systems of type approval have been in existence for over 20 years. One is based around EC Directives and provides for the approval of whole vehicles, vehicle systems, and separate components. The other is based around United Nations (UN) Regulations (formerly known as UNECE Regulations) and provides for approval of vehicle systems and separate components, but not whole vehicles.

Type approval is the confirmation that production samples of a design will meet specified performance standards. The specification of the product is recorded and only that specification is approved.

Automotive EC Directives and UN Regulations require third party approval - testing, certification and production conformity assessment by an independent body. Each Member State is required to appoint an Approval Authority to issue the approvals and a Technical Service to carry out the testing to the Directives and Regulations. An approval issued by one Authority will be accepted in all the Member States.

VCA is the designated UK Approval Authority and a Technical Service for all type approvals to automotive EC Directives and most UN Regulations.
European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval (ECWVTA)

EC Whole Vehicle Type Approval (ECWVTA) is based around EC Directives and provides for the approval of whole vehicles, in addition to vehicle systems and separate components. This certification is accepted throughout the EU without the need for further testing until a standard is updated or your design changes.
Low volume/Small Series Manufacturers

Full EC whole vehicle type approval (ECWVTA) won't suit everyone, particularly those manufacturing vehicles in low numbers. In recognition of this fact there are a number of other approval routes available, including:
European Community Small Series Type Approval (EC SSTA)

EC Small Series Type Approval) has been created for low volume car producers only, and like full ECWVTA will allow Europe wide sales but with technical and administrative requirements that are more adapted to smaller businesses.
National Small Series Type Approval (NSSTA)

(National Small Series Type Approval) is a UK national scheme for low volume manufacturers who intend to sell only in the UK. The advantages of NSSTA are relaxed technical requirements for some subjects, a more pragmatic approach to the Conformity of Production (CoP) requirements, and reduction in administrative requirements. Like ECWVTA, once the design is approved, individual vehicles do not need to be tested.
Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA)

Individual Vehicle Approval is a UK national scheme and the most likely route for those manufacturing or importing single vehicles or very small numbers. IVA does not require CoP as it is based on inspection of each vehicle, although most bodybuilders and converters will work with manufacturers to ensure there is no warranty compromise.
Under IVA, vehicles have to be inspected by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) in Great Britain or the Driver and Vehicle Agency (DVA) in Northern Ireland.

More on EC low volume here:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca//vehicletype/ec-small-series-ecssta.asp


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Very interesting - and it illustrates how tough life is now for low-volume manufacturers.

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Originally Posted By Jays
If the factory has no objections, I'll start taking photos of the ARP4s going through their build and post them on here. I'm in there for three days this week so hopefully the chassis have progressed a little.


I may be a little bit stupid here, but did you not take me around the factory last Friday? If so, I Tweeted those red chassis out. Sorry.

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The word at Silverstone is that the chassis is not galvanised and the red finish is much more than paint.

Isn't it an autophoretic coating? If it is, details can be found here.


The chassis has an autophoretic coating for protection. This gives a black smooth finish. The red finish is purely a painted top coat.


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Originally Posted By Lord Sward
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If the factory has no objections, I'll start taking photos of the ARP4s going through their build and post them on here. I'm in there for three days this week so hopefully the chassis have progressed a little.


I may be a little bit stupid here, but did you not take me around the factory last Friday? If so, I Tweeted those red chassis out. Sorry.


No need to apologise...there is no embargo on posting photos you have taken on a factory tour...in fact you will recall that we encourage the taking of photos in our tour introduction!

My comments really referred to me taking a number of photos of the cars progressing through the factory and as an employee I need to ensure the factory is happy that I post photos.


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Graham you are so knowledgable.......


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Originally Posted By DaveW
I seem to remember the first 3.7 Roadster being taken for "type approval", so I would expect the first ARP4 to go the same route.


so Morgan must be going EC Small Series Type Approval as many cars have been sold into Europe

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An update.....the engines are now in two of the chassis and the rear suspension mounts are being fitted.

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