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I was told you can get:
"Semi sport exhaust $600.00 plus install Sport -no muffler- $610.00 plus install AR M/SPORT exhaust as part of the stage one kit $2,000 plus install Full stage one kit with Air Filter/Sport exhausts $2,200 plus install"
I went with Sport -no muffler- and was told I could order the stage 1 air cleaner separate from the whole kit, so I opted for that.
Charlie, Former Editor Morgan Owners Group - Great Lakes
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I was able to hear Mol and Squirlz M3W this summer at Mad Dogs & Englishmen where they have removed all of the baffles and cats, and it sounded like I expected the M3W would from the get go (Jay Leno's video made it sound like a beast). While they were kind enough to offer up their garage and tools to do the same to mine, I just am not sure my old thin walled pipes would be up to it. Plus, going this route gives me the option to swap my silenced pipes back in if desired.
Charlie, Former Editor Morgan Owners Group - Great Lakes
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Keep us posted on that upgrade please. Do you consider Eric and Tom at auto Europe your local dealer.
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Keep us posted on that upgrade please. Do you consider Eric and Tom at auto Europe your local dealer. Yes, over at Auto Europe. They have a new Morgan Service Manager named Bret that Mol and Squirelz went through when they had their M3W in for service last, and the process seems to be much smoother than before. In fact I just spoke with Bret today, trying to get a date and time lined up for my M3W to be picked up by them for all this work to be done. I will let you know whenever I have any news.
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Be careful with terminology here, as there are quite a few 'sports' exhaust options around the place right now.
Originally, there was a Sports Exhaust system available for special order from the MMC and this was EXACTLY the same size and shape as the OEM stock exhaust, but with absolutely nothing inside it - straight-through, no baffles - so it made power over the stock item, but was VERY VERY LOUD in doing so. For interest, the Part Numbers in chrome finish are U310021 / U310022 and are about £200 each. Some like them, but most think they're too loud I suspect.
Then came the MMC Stage 1 exhaust which is a new item and it is the base for the MMC Stage tuning options. It is still a small profile system but this time has a 'technical' turbulence-inducing baffle in it to reduce the noise without using too much power. A popular design in the US for Harleys I believe. As has been reported though, this is still quite noisy, but it retains a nice 'low profile' that keeps the original look. Not seen one in the flesh but there are a few members on here with them. Stage 1 needs the airfilter mods too, as induction is a little restricted as stock too.
Then there's the Garage-56 kit, about which much has already been written. This is my preferred option as it makes power without noise (in fact only 97dB measured on Monday this week at Goodwood), but the silencer has to be larger to deliver the goods. In my case, with black heat-shields, I think it maintains the original look and the mild increase in size would not be obvious unless parked next to a car on stock pipes. Not a single person at Goodwood noticed on Monday, apart from Mark Reeves, which is kinda understandable! These (with subtly bigger air-cleaner cover) restores power to that advertised at the start, if not a little more perhaps.
Only the MMC Stage 2 and 3 kits include ECU updates, as only they have the key to unlock it. This will undoubtedly add some fine tuning to the setup, but from the tests and measurements that the G56 guys did it appears that the stock ECU mapping was probably done on a well-breathing engine (ie: before they were progressively strangled, for whatever reasons) and therefore continue to work better on a well-breathing G56 setup as well. Remember the pinking and detonation we all suffered in the early days? All down to the inability for the hot exhaust gases to exit the combustion chamber and immediate header area. Massive build up of heat (hence glowing headers, even at idle....) causing pre-ignition. Take away the restriction and we are pink-free forever! Just for reference, my summary of exhaust options from the last month or so, just in case it's useful. Having just returned from a 1000 mile trip round Europe with the latest 'double-flexi' G56 pipes, I can confirm that the car really is so much improved and simply flies, with just the G56 full kit. I'll post a fuller trip report in due course.
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so Morgan stage 1 or G56? or are they just comparable?
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so Morgan stage 1 or G56? or are they just comparable? I think they are probably comparable it terms of freer breathing and increase in power but there are some differences. Morgan stage 1 preserve the standard size of silencer and to me bark a bit more on start up. However thay are not a simple bolt on replacement as they need modified mouting brackets and it's not really clear if they have mountings for the heatshield. I'll declare an interest in that I have bought this kit and as my car is going back to Morgan for some bodywork I'm going to wait for them to fit the exhausts. The G56 kit looks very well made and fits perfectly. The silencers are larger than standard and on first sight looked to me a bit large but after a short time I didn't notice them. The sound is an improvement on the standard - a nice throaty burble. The Morgan Stage 1 is a bit cheaper and Morgan have started to point out non standard parts could affect warranty - however given the culture of modifying Morgans this might be a risk worth taking. If you are fittiing yourself then I wold say G56 is way ahead but if your dealer will take on the task of modifying the mounts then Stage 1 is perhaps cheaper (depending on your dealer's labour rate). Subjectively G56 is possibly slightly quieter at start but on the move I think they are similar. Hope this helps and as soon as I get my Stage 1 on the road I'll post some more thoughts.
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Conversely, my experience of G56 did not include them fitting properly nor correct brackets while the Stage 1 pipes appear to have slotted straight on...agree about the additional bark from the Stage 1 set and no heat shield mountings on mine either. Just have to be careful when getting out when wearing the kilt. does raise the question "Are any two M3Ws actually the same size?"
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......does raise the question "Are any two M3Ws actually the same size?"
I suspect the question applies to all Morgans, not just M3Ws....
Peter, 66, 2016 Porsche Boxster S No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...
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......does raise the question "Are any two M3Ws actually the same size?"
I suspect the question applies to all Morgans, not just M3Ws.... Technically, I don't think that is a suspicion.
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