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Originally Posted By andymot
...am thinking of trading into a new 4/4 1600.

My question is - do they feel "slow" compared to modern cars? Is it a proper sports car that is fun to drive? and what are the must have options or ones not worth having?


I endorse what everyone one has said - if you like changing gear, then progress can be as swift as you like. Thankfully, the Mazda MX5 gearbox fitted since Autumn 2012 makes every gear change a pleasure.

Options depend on whether you will tour or not - I had sun visors only (they are useful wind deflectors)

Back in 2012 when I did my 'man maths' to justify the purchase, the addition of the Aero Racing throttle bodies, sports manifold, cat, mid-box and side exit exhaust still came in cheaper than a Plus 4. Sure, even with all the AR kit it still gives less power (and far less torque) than a Plus 4, but I just love the frantic nature of the Sigma engine.

How much do I love it? Well, I have an unused Aeromax sitting next to it in the garage... hide


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I am that soldier!
I had a wonderful M3W an early car with issues. But we had two years of great fun.

Then into the 4/4 15 months ago.

It's a great little car. The Sigma engine really wants to rev. It goes so well and is great fun to drive...when you push on through the the gears . My car has a Sports Exhaust and has been chipped to boost the revs through 3000- 5000 rpm.
I thought I would upgrade to a Plus4 but have now jumped that into a Roadster
...hopefully coming this week.

I do think the Plus4 GDI is a great car ...but occasionally I like to push things a bit!
Having said all this I am delighted that I had my 4/4 and would recommend it to anyone who wants a slightly lower cost entry into four wheeled Morgan driving.

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Hire one for a weekend and see what you think.

Take it on some varied roads etc.


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Have both a 4/4 and a M3W in the garage. While the M3W is a show toy the 4/4 is my reliable holiday transport. I did some 5000km with the 3wheeler and over 10.000km with the 4/4 this year. Both are great fun and fast enough for any speeding ticket.
I enjoy the direct road contact, the exposure to the elements, the peoples friendly reactions and the low petrol consmption (of the 4/4). Every Morgan tip brings me back to the days when I was young.


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I love my 4/4 (although admittedly it's not what you'd call 'standard' smile ), and I would heartily recommend them to anyone who likes the idea of a light, nimble, traditional British sports car.

The bigger cars are great, they give you more in terms of power, and offer a more relaxed drive in some senses, but don't get the idea that because the 4/4 costs less it delivers any less of an experience.

For larking about having fun on twisty back roads, a 4/4 is top of the heap, and they aren't bad on motorways either, they will quite happily keep up with modern motorway traffic.


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Surely what a lot of people are saying is that they want the agility of the 4/4 but would like more power. Isn't that the "narrow bodied" Plus 4? That is to say essentially a 4/4 with the 2 litre engine.

Best of both worlds IMHO.


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Tune up a 4/4 and you have the perfect sports car ?


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Originally Posted By Gambalunga
Surely what a lot of people are saying is that they want the agility of the 4/4 but would like more power. Isn't that the "narrow bodied" Plus 4? That is to say essentially a 4/4 with the 2 litre engine.

Best of both worlds IMHO.


Agreed, kind of. I think the key to 4/4 appeal is getting sufficient power at as low weight as can be reasonably attained. It's easy to get loads more power of course, but you start paying a price in size and weight - and cost, of course.

You can avoid this by going for smaller capacity highly-tuned engines, and this tends to result in a car with a narrow power band and peaky characteristics - exactly what's wanted for a 4/4. I went for a tuned 1800cc engine as it was available at a good price and gave me all the power I wanted.


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Having tried both a new plus 4 and a new 4/4 I opted for the 4/4 and have no regrets. The 4/4 gives a great driving experience.
A 4/4 does require plenty of gear changing to get the most out of it but that is what I wanted from a sports car. In traffic it is easy to drive.
It wouldn't be my first choice for lots of motorway driving but for twisty country lanes I doubt it can be beaten. I regularly drive 2 hours + on A roads and it is a joy on those journies.
On steep hills ( there are plenty of hills > 15% near me) it requires low gears and revving (3000+) but that soon becomes second nature.
Compared to my MINI Cooper - the MINI has more torque low end but once my foot hits the floor on the MINI I find the acceleration soon flattens whereas the 4/4 keeps accelerating as the revs climb.
For me the 4/4 is everything I want from a Morgan. Even at 40mph on twisty lanes I feel like I am driving like Fangio (in my dreams). woohoo
I agree with what others have recommended as extras but also went for a MotaLita steering wheel. If you like music while you drive you will also be able to hear it better in a 4/4 so getting the radio unit installed might be on your list.


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I'll be interested to hear how you get on part exchanging your threewheeler .

A few months ago I thought about changing mine for a used
4/4 , I got the impression that the dealer didn't really want to do a part exchange . After a couple of unanswered emails and 6 non returned calls I gave up !


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