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I don't know much about the MSCC, but how would any losses be funded? With difficulty I suspect, so therefore it is is a business (of sorts) and needs to be profitable.
What is the purpose of the MSCC? To be run for the benefit of the members? It sounds as if the membership is too diverse for the MSCC to actually succeed at this.
I haven't read the review yet as I've not received the magazine.
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I've observed goings on from close quarters over the last six years and being responsible for the club is not something I would want. It's certainly true that club officers bring with them their life skills. It's also a fact that as a director of MSCC you would do your best to make it a success and cover the potential liabilities. That's a common goal across all the officials. But being a volunteer makes it different. On a recent RNLI documentary, a volunteer said that "you couldn't pay me enough to justify these risks". The vice chairman job is vacant at the AGM on rotation. It's a six year commitment. How many applicants will we get? Well be lucky to get one. And yet MSCC is expected to carry on. It does so with fewer volunteers doing even more jobs.
If you don't like the "direction of travel" get involved.......
DaveW '05 Red Roadster S1 '16 Yellow (Not the only) Narrow AR GDI Plus 4
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The vice chairman job is vacant at the AGM on rotation. It's a six year commitment. How many applicants will we get? Well be lucky to get one. And yet MSCC is expected to carry on. It does so with fewer volunteers doing even more jobs.
If you don't like the "direction of travel" get involved.......
I agree 100%... The VC job is a good one...BUT..... The Chair position, which follows on from the Vice Chair, is 2 years of what I estimate is an average of 20 hours a week, including many weekends, and involves a lot of travel as well as a social content that ideally needs a partner's presence. So, before you put yourself forward..and I really do hope someone does....ask yourself these questions: Do you have the time to give? Are you fit enough? Does your partner also want to give up the time? So, I'd say that the perfect person is in their mid/late 50s, retired and with a good pension or self employed and able to give up time. Their CV should include people management, project management and team leadership skills. It would help if they have no other real interests. There must be someone.......
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I've just read the review - for the love of.........
Over many years, I have had the pleasure of belonging to the MSCC; enjoyed competing in its speed and race events, enjoyed the occasional MOG and enjoyed the company of MSCC members of DevaMog, TorMog and particularly NorceMog.
There is a real dilemma for clubs and their officers. Legal and regulatory requirements force them to be more 'professional' whatever that means. Why oh why does the MSCC need a Child Protection Officer for goodness sake?
To compound all this everyone has intense pressures on their time and then there is the increasing reluctance of people to volunteer; not just for the MSCC but for all charity and volunteer organisations and yet budget and regulatory demands simply increase without relent.
Even organising a scenic run now demands notification and a 'license' by regulation. Welcome to the modern world of over-regulation, bureacracy and b*****ks.
Clubs have a real challenge on their hands; members want everything on a plate and they are competing in a social media world where 'friendships' are made without ever physically meeting.
Although I agree with many of the views aired here, please don't judge the MSCC too harshly, after all, if you don't participate you won't get anything out and if you don't volunteer, one is not best placed to criticise.
Finally, I do agree with those who criticise the language used in the review - it does scream of management speak which is, under the circumstances, unfortunately disconnected from the world of Morgan enthusiasm and is, perhaps, what many of us Morgan owners are trying to get away from.
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[quote=DaveW]
So, I'd say that the perfect person is in their mid/late 50s, retired and with a good pension or self employed and able to give up time. Their CV should include people management, project management and team leadership skills.
I do appreciate the amount of time that people give up to run a club, I have been involved with the LRSOC for 35 years and I reiterate its a car club run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts. In all those years we have evolved, increased membership and have an excellent club magazine and web site. I don't think we have ever asked someone to fill a club vacancy if they have people, project management and team leadership skills but we have a club run with enthusiasm for enthusiasts.
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There is a real dilemma for clubs and their officers. Legal and regulatory requirements force them to be more 'professional' whatever that means. Why oh why does the MSCC need a Child Protection Officer for goodness sake?
To compound all this everyone has intense pressures on their time and then there is the increasing reluctance of people to volunteer; not just for the MSCC but for all charity and volunteer organisations and yet budget and regulatory demands simply increase without relent.
Even organising a scenic run now demands notification and a 'license' by regulation. Welcome to the modern world of over-regulation, bureacracy and b*****ks.
Clubs have a real challenge on their hands; members want everything on a plate and they are competing in a social media world where 'friendships' are made without ever physically meeting.
Although I agree with many of the views aired here, please don't judge the MSCC too harshly, after all, if you don't participate you won't get anything out and if you don't volunteer, one is not best placed to criticise.
Finally, I do agree with those who criticise the language used in the review - it does scream of management speak which is, under the circumstances, unfortunately disconnected from the world of Morgan enthusiasm and is, perhaps, what many of us Morgan owners are trying to get away from.
Well said David, couldn't have put it better myself.
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[quote=howard Unless they have me running the show of course. [/quote] Are you volunteering Howard?
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I would like to add my views to this debate.
Firstly it must be said that MSCC should be praised and respected for addressing change and the need for change. This in itself is in my expereince at least half the battle!
All too easy to tinker at the edges a tad but keep on with the same old way of doing things.
Secondly - again from business experience, change is often a most difficult thing to implement. You really can't please all the people all the time - and many dyed in the wool MSCC members could find change a very tough thing to accept. So those implementing change need brave hearts,strong but empathetic leadership skills, focus and 100% commitment to their task. So all up not an easy task to embrace.
Thirdly - and of vital importance is Objectivity. Why is this being done? What will be achieved? And in what timescale?
So my thoughts are quite positive ones.And I await the next stages of the MSCC Evolution.
BTW I do think that £70K is a heap of cash to invest and I am not sure how it is planned to spend /invest this ££. Maybe I have missed something??
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Q: Why oh why does the MSCC need a Child Protection Officer for goodness sake? A: Because the MSA requires it and, I was told, because the club has had 1 episode of a Member behaving in a way that made the Club Directors pleased that they had procedures and processes in place.
Q: Even organising a scenic run now demands notification and a 'license' by regulation. A: Actually this is another MSA requirement, their insurance is supposed to protect the Club against the consequences of any claim by a third party, I understand.
So why is association with the MSA association) important? Because without it all of the Morgan Competitive events on track wouldn't be possible. This is seen by many in the Club as important because it is a Sports Car Club with members who want to be involved with racing, hill climbing, auto-solos and so forth. How many here agree?
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So why is association with the MSA association) important? Because without it all of the Morgan Competitive events on track wouldn't be possible. This is seen by many in the Club as important because it is a Sports Car Club with members who want to be involved with racing, hill climbing, auto-solos and so forth. How many here agree? Absolutely. Lose this and MSCC becomes just another dining club. The MSA link is vital to ensure our continued ability to run our sporting events (right down to single centre car trials and grass autotests which is my level of competition).
Paul Costock, UK Plus Four 75th - Furka Rouge - Pip Disco 5 Teddy - 17h1 Irish Draught cross
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