Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Maintenance & Servicing Series 1 Roadster - Sump

Many thanks for your work, Dave.

Great work Dave.
I'll give Taff a call on Monday. So how many sumps have you actually got there.
Regarding gaining more height say from the thinner gasket, is there any margin left with raising the engine mountings a tad with thicker washers (you can tell I am totally neurotic now )

Frank

Just two spares at present. I may become a collector though!!!!

If you open both bonnets and look at the clearance at the top, there's a good usable half inch. The problem though is width, and the engine is very close to the bonnet sides. The limiting factor is where the downpipes go through the chassis, and there's probably less than half an inch there. So spacer washers might gain a quarter inch or so, but no more. You may also have to loosen the sperical exhaust joints aft of the cats to let the exhaust realign. Stainless steel can fracture if stressed too much.

Hi Dave,
Spoke to SGT as promised. The Gasket in our sump is 'Rubber' which locates in a slot in the sump. I hope that helps the old research.

That's really interesting Frank, because that's a key difference between the standard sump on the Morgan and the sumps I have from the Mondeo, which have no slot. This is not a problem since I can use paper, or 'toothpaste' tubed gasket compound if necessary.

Now I have one more favour to ask.
We already know that the Series1 Roadster engine was specced from a Jaguar base unit. I wonder if the 'full waffle' design is a Jag spec sump? So next time you visit the Jag dealer, I wonder if you know anybody there well enough to find out?

Our's is due a service. I have just been under with a lamp and mirror but due to layers of undertrays and heat shields, it is impossible to see anything. I have never seen a car engine that is so well obliterated top and bottom from eager eyes.
So I will ask at the dealers for you when I give them a call soon.

OK Frank thanks. Interestingly there's an S type sump on e-bay today, and a groove is visible in the flange. Although the mating flange is the same as the Mondeo (just a slight variation), the lower half is completely different. The Jag oil pump take off is at the front (when the engine is in-line), and the rear part tapers to a much more shallow profile. If this motor is transverse in the Jag that means with the gearbox on the right(nearside)as you peer under the bonnet, the deep section is to the left (offside). That isn't suitable for a transplant onto a Mog engine, because we really don't want the deepest part at the front!!!!!
The question remains if there are any V6 Jags which use a centre pick up - and you know what that looks like already.

Hi Dave, The motor is not transverse in the S Type. It is in line.

Just had a look at ebay myself. Did you notice the Mondeo V6 sump 160430072893 - £50 Buy it now price. It looks similar to your spare - have a look.

That's the one Frank - very good supplier. You can see the shim gasket in that photo. I haven't mentioned the Morgan connection so far. I've had two and there were three others, so he has a good supply. I've asked him to keep a look out for a full waffle sump.

So the Jag is in line eh? That's why the main capacity is at the front. I bet there's a crossmember under the centre of the sump on the Jag. Useful info.

A bit more info. The X Type Jag which is Mondeo based has a transverse installation. I've just located a photo of the X Type sump on a US website. It doesn't have the waffle pattern, but has a smooth bottom. It does however have a deeper front section, and shallower rear ribs so I suspect if one of these were modified it might be a better compromise. The Jag uses the sandwich gasket, so the origins of the Morgan rubber seal in the groove has not yet appeared on another Duratec V6.
I've exchanged e-mails with Mulfab, and will be paying a visit in a week or two...............all being well.