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All good info going on. Didn't get chance to call KH today try tomorrow!

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Further observations on KH Stage three:

On further driving, there are days when I pity the pedestrians as I sit at the lights. It IS loud and am planning to ask KH if the down turned pipe ends (supplied but not fitted) might help a little. Defo earplugs for me but sadly can't issue them to the people walking by.

The noise is also hardcore in as much as there's lot of popping, spitting and farting on the over run...snarly / gnarly....and less suitable for the peaceful runs through the countryside.

The newfound performance is definitely there...and felt.

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Fantastic feedback thanks, listened to Elcyd yesterday he has G56 fitted they sound great deep not too loud, that's me all confused again😳

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Originally Posted By skullmog
Fantastic feedback thanks, listened to Elcyd yesterday he has G56 fitted they sound great deep not too loud, that's me all confused again😳


Kev - I really think you should consider the G56 pipes again, as they are simply better at silencing than any of the others, as they are bigger than any of the others. Sure they look a bit different, but I've completely forgotten what the originals looked like on my car and only notice again when I park next to a car with the OEM pipes. But G56 pipes flow as well as the best of course, which is why they make the power. Bottom line is that if you can live with the larger size (which looks WAY better with black shields in my opinion), then the G56 pipes are the best all-rounders, again in my opinion.

You're more than welcome to come over and drive my car if you want (Guildford area, as you may remember), just in case you need to hear the more dual purpose approach taken by the G56 guys. Or wait till after mid-May when mine goes up to KH for their Stage-3 cams and dyno setup (I have the G56 ECU already remember)....


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Nice shot on the start line at Shelsley.

The Pipes look good too!


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Cheers Phil but I just ordered the last set from G56 should have them by Thursday 👍Out of stock of ECU at the mo !be good to see what difference the cams make!

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Originally Posted By skullmog
Cheers Phil but I just ordered the last set from G56 should have them by Thursday 👍Out of stock of ECU at the mo !be good to see what difference the cams make!


Nice job Sir! Will report back on the cams upgrade in due course.

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Its like I'm not allowed new pipes sent bank transfer, note pops up from bank call them soon as possible some a hole tried to hack us ( nothing to do with G56) so bank shut down account ! had to visit branch to be kept in the dark told will have to wait till after investigation to reinstate . we wait!

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Further Update on Crazy Horse Stage three upgrade.

Although the Mog continued to go well and sound suitably hairy arsed, the thing began to stall at idle. As an occasional (fuel injected) engine tuner myself it seemed to have gone lean on that part of the fuel map. Not knowing the 'ins and outs' of the KH programme and ECU, I had to be told by them that it learns as it goes along. I'd sooner it hadn't!

Long story short, their Workshop manager George made a VERY long trip over here to resolve not. Too early to say that the new fuel map has sorted it permanently, but they are certainly behind their customers. I'm hoping it stops relearning and does what they told it to.

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WARNING: MASSIVE Post Alert!

I too want to sing the praises of the Krazy folks, as my experience with them last Thursday was outstanding. As far as I am concerned they are up there with the G56 team for proper, customer-focused, professional service. Top marks....

I was booked in for the 569 cams (MMC Stage-2 or KH Stage--3, depending on your point of view) and before/after dyno setup. I have the G56 ECU already remember, following the over-voltage death of my original, together with the Idle Control Valve when the OEM regulator let go, as is their want, so it would be easy for KH to adjust the map to suit.

I had a pleasant drive up there and the car was going very nicely indeed and I admit to having a dose of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" anxiety if I'm honest. I said as much to the very helpful George and Dan (the tech) when they greeted me. I explained that I'd ideally like before/after plots so that I could see as well as feel the difference that the cams made. Whilst it was always going to add some extra time to the operation, I was willing to accept that as comparison plots are important to me.

Dan was quite the most helpful, engaging and knowledgeable chap and was happy to talk me through all he was doing and I was able to watch through the window of the very impressive custom dyno-cell whilse the car was on the roller. I've spent enough time playing with engines and ECU's and he was happy to talk detail technical with me, which was excellent.

I was up in the cafe working on my PC at the time he did his first baseline runs and my cup of tea made increasingly impressive ripples as the vibrations grew and grew. It's not often that you can sit in a comfy cafe, with decent wifi (plus the best egg & bacon roll on the planet...) whilst feeling every beat of your tricycle's massive heart, shaking the table, chair and floor in time... Well worth the trip for that alone smile

I went down to chat and Dan explained the plots and how he was very impressed with the relative output for the G56 pipes. He said they were quieter than others he'd experienced, yet clearly flowed well as the figures were good. Nice and smooth curves but slightly rich overall, but of course that explained why the car has felt so good since the G56 ECU complimented the G56 Stage-1 filter/pipes. I was now even more convinced that I might be making a mistake, but it was already too late to change my mind.

So, out with the stock Eazi-Start cookers and in with the 569E's (still easy starting design in fact) and lots more runs to fine tune the map. Instead of flashing the entire thing and starting with one of their KH .BOX files for the ECU, Dan elected to tweak the already very well sorted G56 map, as this was the easiest route. After a good 45 minutes of so of minor cafe floor-quakes, the cell went silent and I ventured in to see what was what.....

.... which was a very respectable increase in torque and power across the entire range - particularly below 3000rpm where in part throttle the car feels utterly unstressed and effortless in providing very effective forward thrust. All dan had to do was tweak the AFR's and timing to get the smooth results he was after. The figures speak for themselves and he maintains that they are strong numbers relative to other cars he's had over the months. So that's good.

The drive home was great and the extra urge is now very obvious and the last 20 wet miles were quite entertaining - care required for sure.... The exhaust note is a little harder above 4000rpm, but other than that you'd not know the cams were changed. Overall the engine is smoother throughout the rev-range, much more torquey and it feels 'natural' if that makes sense - completely opposite to the strangled, unnatural setup present from the factory. I am sure MMC had a good reason for stuffing the engine up so fundamentally (and badly, introducing dangerously high cylinder temps and potentially engine damaging levels of detonation on some) - maybe to protect the unwary or inexperienced, maybe the driveline (although plenty of 128cu.in engines out there seem to prove it's OK), but I suspect more to make sure the car is approved for sale globally. Either way, it sure feels good now.

In terms of power, I'm not too fussed about absolute figures, as what's important is before/after on the same dyno on the same day, which I now have. Although I wasn't able to see what my car made as stock on the KH dyno, plenty other 2012/2013 cars have been run up and Dan kindly laid one of those typical stock plots down on my graphs, so I could see the difference.

Stock v's my G56 Stage-1/2 (ie: Filter, pipes and ECU) shows pretty much the same shape, profile and increase as G56 saw on their dyno, whose figures might also be correct and tie up a little more closely to what was advertised by MMC in the first place. Remember that S&S themselves show plots for power of the X-Wedge and they too are closer to MMC numbers than KH, so maybe the KH rollers just read low, relative to other rollers around the place? Not that it matters one jot, as measured increase for a modification is all that matters of course.

You can see that the 569 cams add power/torque everywhere and the car feels like those plots look. Overall I am very happy and for the whole 300 miles travelled, tuned, thrashed, dyno'd and cruised, I averaged 32mpg brim-to-brim. Not half bad if you ask me!

I cannot fault the Krazy Gang at all - they were just what you'd hope a customer focused team to be and they have offered to address any concerns I have as quick as possible, should anything arise. As I've read above, they are clearly good for their word too. Top blokes all round thumbs

Seeing as the rumours suggest that MMC are no longer offering Stage Upgrades, I'd not hesitate to steam over to Garage-56 for their Stage-1+ECU and then have the cams installed and setup by KH. That's not to say that the KH kits are any less effective, but by the 'sounds' of things, the G56 pipes are the most practical in terms of power v's noise. Just my view of course...

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