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They have a rack in the factory full of shrink wrapped BMW engines - we were wondering how much they cost each - I guessed £10k - asked the guide but he had no idea. Realoem quotes them from 20k to 30k usd (usually you can assume 1:1 with eur, from my experience with mine BMW Z4 3.0i). http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=EK13-USA-07-2007-E64-BMW-650i&diagId=11_3249From google: - Short block: engine block, crank, pistons. No accessories. - Rmfd: disassembled and put back together to factory specs. Critical parts such as bearings are typically new. Major components if they meet factory tolerances are cleaned and reused
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Having wandered around the factory yesterday, and seen plenty of S5s both part-built and finished, I have come to the conclusion that it really isn't anything other than the suspension not having settled yet. Nothing to worry about at all in my view.
Does it means that after 7 years and 50.000km mine has not settled yet?  (and yes, the iPhone camera is "accentuating" it) Look (recent "boring" pic for the insurance company)  And a close up  Ah, hold on a second. That's definitely not an Aero S5  Which means that the 'flaw' of the rear wheels not being centred in the arch isn't unique to the S5... & if it's on the Supersports, is it also on the AeroMax? & why does it affect some cars, but not others? Is it the wheel position that's different, or is the body positioned differently on the chassis? [Looking at my S5, which has offset wheels, there's a slight gap between the leading edge of the wheelarch & trailing edge of the front wing. Perhaps the arch could be moved forwards.] If it's the wheel/suspension position on the chassis, it will affect handling. I wonder whether 'forward' or 'centred' position is correct? Will
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Having wandered around the factory yesterday, and seen plenty of S5s both part-built and finished, I have come to the conclusion that it really isn't anything other than the suspension not having settled yet. Nothing to worry about at all in my view.
Does it means that after 7 years and 50.000km mine has not settled yet? (and yes, the iPhone camera is "accentuating" it) Look (recent "boring" pic for the insurance company) And a close up Ah, hold on a second. That's definitely not an Aero S5 Which means that the 'flaw' of the rear wheels not being centred in the arch isn't unique to the S5... & if it's on the Supersports, is it also on the AeroMax? & why does it affect some cars, but not others? Is it the wheel position that's different, or is the body positioned differently on the chassis? [Looking at my S5, which has offset wheels, there's a slight gap between the leading edge of the wheelarch & trailing edge of the front wing. Perhaps the arch could be moved forwards.] If it's the wheel/suspension position on the chassis, it will affect handling. I wonder whether 'forward' or 'centred' position is correct? Will My thoughts exactly Will - why does it affect some cars and not others!! I kinda like all the talk around springs, bushes etc.....as it gives me hope (just a little) that the issue can be rectified......either that......or I might as well fill the useless boot full of spuds and fix the issue
Rob
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Think of it a bit like faces (no - not faeces smart arse!) attractive with character, like Humphrey Bogart rather than Robert Redford for instance.
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& why does it affect some cars, but not others?
Is it the wheel position that's different, or is the body positioned differently on the chassis?
[Looking at my S5, which has offset wheels, there's a slight gap between the leading edge of the wheelarch & trailing edge of the front wing. Perhaps the arch could be moved forwards.]
If it's the wheel/suspension position on the chassis, it will affect handling. I wonder whether 'forward' or 'centred' position is correct?
Will I would be very surprised if it was anything at all to do with the chassis and suspension. The chassis will be made on a jig and will be accurate to fine tolerances.m Is it even made by Morgan or someone else anyway? The bodies are hand made / assembled and that means variation from car to car. My guess is that its an issue of the positioning of the rear wings or possible of variation in their shape and the position of the curve of the arch. Its not good. If you had an RTA and your car came back from the repairers with wheels not central in the arches you would reject the repair
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Wheels not centred in the rear wheel arch is not unique to Aero chassis cars. I've seen quite a few classic Morgans with the same issue.
Someone asked about adjustable shocks. The standard suspension on the S5 is not adjustable. The suspension set up on mine is totally different to stock as I wanted the car to ride better than any of my other Aero's.
After 120,000 miles driving them I've found that aside from the driveline shunt coming into play from time to time, the GTN drives the nicest overall although the comfort seemed the best in the S3 (S4 let down on the comfort stakes by a change to the door opening)
However, just a few more tweaks to go on the S5 and I think the ride will become the best. I have come to the conclusion that I need to get a set of seats from aS3 though. The firmness of the S5 is just a little too much for my old back!
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I agree. The tub and everything associated with the runing gear will be positioned to fine tolerances. The variable is the fitting of the mudguards. In the case of the trad the wooden frame is highly variable and the mudguards are cut trimed and fitted by eye (as are the bonnets). This is why we have the ridiculous situation that no body parts are interchangeable. Crash repairs that involve replacing parts must be a nightmare. The rear mudguards on my car are not even the same width. And the left and right front guards are fitted differently.
Can you imagine the same situation on any other car that costs as much as an Aero 8? It is bad enough that parts are not interchangeable on a trad, but on an Aero that has the major components jigged and manuafactured to tight tolerances the fact that mudguards are a variable and positioned by eye is impossible to comprehend.
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I have been looking at the S2 and coupe. The S2 does not have any eccentricy - well not in the rear wheel position at least. The Coupe does. It is similar to Ales Supersport. Then I looked at the photos of the tour we made and noticed that they were central. We had the large boot full for a month.
I am guessing that the rear suspension arc places it in the centre of the arch when loaded. It has a relatively short travel so this is an issue. I love the wheels filling the arch so looks like bag of spuds is the winner ?
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I agree. The tub and everything associated with the runing gear will be positioned to fine tolerances. The variable is the fitting of the mudguards. In the case of the trad the wooden frame is highly variable and the mudguards are cut trimed and fitted by eye (as are the bonnets). This is why we have the ridiculous situation that no body parts are interchangeable. Crash repairs that involve replacing parts must be a nightmare. The rear mudguards on my car are not even the same width. And the left and right front guards are fitted differently.
Can you imagine the same situation on any other car that costs as much as an Aero 8? It is bad enough that parts are not interchangeable on a trad, but on an Aero that has the major components jigged and manuafactured to tight tolerances the fact that mudguards are a variable and positioned by eye is impossible to comprehend. Character dear boy! Ps. Talking of body panels....your bonnet is still in my garage rafters!
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My S3 wheels are nicely centred. Could the issue be exacerbated by ride height? S1s were lower than later models and look the best in this regard.
I'm keeping my S3 - overall I think it's the best overall Aero package...
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