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This is something where I fear Brexit might hurt Morgan. In a few years another revamp of hmologations comes up and Morgan might find itself with the same problem it has had in the USA.
Then again, it might be that by then the US reopen themselves to trads Unless they are owned by BMW....
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Now Now, Peter -- I'm sure that isn't what Madame May and (puppet)clown Davis have in mind for UK industry!!!!!!! Go Wash out your mouth with soap and water!!!!!!
Cheers!
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Now Now, Peter -- I'm sure that isn't what Madame May and (puppet)clown Davis have in mind for UK industry!!!!!!! Go Wash out your mouth with soap and water!!!!!!
Cheers! Perhaps they do... If enough of German manufacturing industry needs the UK to have a sensible trade relationship with the EU then perhaps"Mutti Merkle" will be able to lean on the people in the Brussels Bubble to start talking sense. But I'm not very hopeful.
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well -- with David Davis in charge you shouldn't be!! I can't see what planet he is on -- if he thinks you can have all the benefits of membership but none of the costs and responsibilities when you leave a "club" he's in cloud cukoo land -- which I think he is beginning to find out!!!!
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Yes, it did indeed look like a nasty accident - but it wasn't Morgan, and it was also a comparatively old car, so could well have been caused by a component failure - something to which a modern Morgan would not be exposed in the same way.
Given that the components most likely to fail and cause an accident are the old style running gear rather than the engine, I cant see that, but I have to agree 100% with the rest of what you say. I'm not trying to pretend that a roll bar is useless in the event of an accident in which the car ends up inverted, but I am trying to point out that
a) Those kinds of accidents are incredibly rare
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b) In the kinds of accidents that do occur much more frequently, especially side or three-quarter impacts where the car doesn't flip, it's possible that a roll bar will cause additional injuries to the head if you're not using a proper 4 or 5-point harness and/or wearing a helmet.
The last thing I would ever wish to do is to put anyone off the idea of driving a Morgan, and if you feel that you still want a roll bar then go for it, but I'd like you to be reassured that many thousands of Morgan owners drive millions of miles quite happily without feeling the need for one - and that certainly doesn't mean we bimble about like we were driving Miss Daisy!
In your situation, where you'd need to have full type approval for any modification to your car, I would seriously recommend that you review the benefits (enhanced survival risk in the case of an incident with a vanishingly small probability of occurrence) compared to the costs (inconvenience, greater risk of head injury in normal driving). When you are rattling around inside the cockpit during an accident, what you need is soft squashy stuff and not a steel tube next to your head. And if to fit inside the hood it ends up being too low to function as an roll bar anyway, whats the point?
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If enough of German manufacturing industry needs the UK to have a sensible trade relationship with the EU then perhaps"Mutti Merkle" will be able to lean on the people in the Brussels Bubble to start talking sense.
But I'm not very hopeful.
Nor I. Although the UK is 3rd in the list of countries to whom Germany exports, at EUR86Bn, we represent only just over 7% of their total export trade value of EUR1.2Tn. Similarly, our exports to them represent less than 4% of their total imports. When Brexit buggers up their ability to do business with us, I suspect they'll simply do business elsewhere, it won't be worth the hassle of dealing with our red tape. As Robbie says, once we're out of the EU we won't get any of the advantages of being inside, it's inconceivable that we could expect otherwise.
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Yes, it did indeed look like a nasty accident - but it wasn't Morgan, and it was also a comparatively old car, so could well have been caused by a component failure - something to which a modern Morgan would not be exposed in the same way.
Given that the components most likely to fail and cause an accident are the old style running gear rather than the engine, I cant see that, but I have to agree 100% with the rest of what you say. I simply meant that a suspension component on a 50 year old, 250k mile car is more likely to fail than a 2 year old 10k mile car, even if they are of the same design.
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I often wonder at the component credibility of older cars. At some stage the electrics would need a good looking at if not replacement due to insulation ageing, corrosion. Same for fuel system with perishable rubber pipes/seals. Brakes too for seals/pipework/fluid/calipers/drums.
This has potential to hit low mileage older cars not just high mileage ones.
As for metal bits, other than corrosion due to poor storage then high mileage cars could have fatigue failure starting to occur.
How many of us would go up in an old plane that had not been serviced correctly with components replaced at pre-determined times?
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Once had a brake hose burst on an Austin A40 and that was when the car was only about 20 years old, if that. It was an interesting few moments 
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Yes, it did indeed look like a nasty accident - but it wasn't Morgan, and it was also a comparatively old car, so could well have been caused by a component failure - something to which a modern Morgan would not be exposed in the same way.
Given that the components most likely to fail and cause an accident are the old style running gear rather than the engine, I cant see that, but I have to agree 100% with the rest of what you say. I simply meant that a suspension component on a 50 year old, 250k mile car is more likely to fail than a 2 year old 10k mile car, even if they are of the same design. I would be less sure. With something newly manufactured in small quantities and by an old manual process to an old design you will get failures due to poor quality work. The long thread about the Aero 5 illustrates that on a newish small volume design, as does the frequent chat about Morgan quality. The Aero that crashed into that house? Etc. Then you will get failures due to age and wear increasing as the car gets older. Maybe a graphn of failure rate would show some sort of valley from 2 years old to 10 years or so.
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