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And conversely Peter, for every dissatisfied owner posting on here there are probably many more who enjoy their cars and do no feel a need to post on a forum.


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Originally Posted By Jays
And conversely Peter, for every dissatisfied owner posting on here there are probably many more who enjoy their cars and do no feel a need to post on a forum.


Agreed. It's always been an issue for organisations that dissatisfied customers have a disproportionately greater impact than the happy ones. The trick is to get your happy customers to promote your company for you.

There was a load of work done on this something over 25 years ago, they called the concept 'Raving Fans', the idea was that you'd pitch your customer service not only to fix people's issues, but to encourage and develop the happy customers to be enthusiastic evangelists for your products.

Apple, of course, being the prime example of how effective this can be when done right.


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Originally Posted By Jays
And conversely Peter, for every dissatisfied owner posting on here there are probably many more who enjoy their cars and do no feel a need to post on a forum.


Agreed. It's always been an issue for organisations that dissatisfied customers have a disproportionately greater impact than the happy ones. The trick is to get your happy customers to promote your company for you.

There was a load of work done on this something over 25 years ago, they called the concept 'Raving Fans', the idea was that you'd pitch your customer service not only to fix people's issues, but to encourage and develop the happy customers to be enthusiastic evangelists for your products.

Apple, of course, being the prime example of how effective this can be when done right.


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I think I'm a raving fan.


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I am Raving ..something...in fact possibly lots of Raving including nuts!!


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Yes mine is a late 2012 car, yes I have a number of improvements / upgrades done but only failure in last year was the rear brake cylinder. Never let me down, makes me smile whenever I drive it and makes lovely noises. I guess I am lucky 🍀

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These cars are simply amazing - I wanted an Ace cycle car direct from Pete Larson and prior to that looked seriously at a JZR so the hunger for an M3W was there to begin with & like most with early cars have had a rollercoaster ride filled with neat excitement and fear in large measures.

Over the last few years, Morgan (& their dealers) have provided me personally with a really good level of support following all the issues and I believe to date given their size and structure provided more support to customers of the fledgling three wheeler during its development than you would see elsewhere with the large battalion manufacturers.

I liken my M3W to a problem child - it should go to social services for some help but lives at home with me because I love it and can't part with it. Again, I've never owned anything like the M3W and it gives back time and time again.

Sure things could improve and sure MMC could and should always strive to do better like any company should, but I've honestly never experienced anything close like owning this little car and I feel that MMC have been fair with me over recent years in dealing with Mogsters issues and also paved the way for an almost family extension approach to car ownership again something not experienced previously outside of owning a M3W. This little car has opened up more friendships and enabled things in a totally unexpected way.

I really object to hearing perpetuated negative comments but would accept more a balanced argument given the issues and not to be aware of the issues simply shows a total lack of preparation prior to purchase.

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Well said Mark thumbs

M3Ws and MMC are not perfect but they put more smiles on the owners' and general public's faces than anything else on the road.

Life would be very much duller without them and I certainly wouldn't have met so many fantastic people who make the M3W community so special.


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I couldn't have put it better Chris.

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Originally Posted By Mark H

I liken my M3W to a problem child -

I really object to hearing perpetuated negative comments but would accept more a balanced argument given the issues and not to be aware of the issues simply shows a total lack of preparation prior to purchase.



Well MarkH, here is the other side of the argument.

My experience is an example of why there is so much commentary on poor product and customer service.

I ordered a new 4/4 for delivery in August 2011 to Australia. To say there were issues from the start would be an understatement but leaving that aside for the moment the big problem was severely sagging rear suspension.

A professional inspection of the first attempt by Morgan at repair was found to be illegal and could render the vehicle un-roadworthy for the purposes of registration.

You can imagine how I felt to be also told the car was NOT ADR (Australian Design Rules) compliant.

The second Morgan fix also failed.

With the end of the warranty looming (even with an extension) I had no confidence it could or would be fixed locally particularly after been told there was a strong prospect the dealership could be closed.

At this point I felt I had two main options. Pursue an action with NSW Fairtrading on the grounds of “fit for purpose” or contact the Federal Department of Infrastructure and Transport on non compliance.

I did have some useful but not decisive contact with the factory in the process of sorting out problems so I thought a direct call to the new MD would be worth a try.

I rang the factory and asked to speak to Mr Steve Morris.

By now they would have digested my detailed letter of issues and questions and had time to consider a response. Incidentally that some letter was later delivered to Graham Chapman at Morgan via TM as a submission to the Classic Forum – No response

Reception put me on hold then returned to advise Mr Morris was not available to take my call and invited me to leave my details which I did.

I think I waited around six weeks and got nowhere. I decided to follow the advice of my motoring and legal contacts and involve the Department.

Their response was swift and took Morgan by the scruff of the neck.

The result - my car and others who raised their hand around Australia with similar compliance issues were lined up for repairs, hooray!

As it often happens, these things tend to snowball and now that the interest of motoring Mandarins had been piqued some began to ask how these cars were being registered?

One State authority coincidently decided to rewrite their training manual for those who wished to be accredited Authorised Vehicle Inspection Station examiners.

The authors of that manual made contact asking for permission to use photos of the work done on my car by Morgan as examples of modifications that would cause the vehicle to be “Rejected” at registration inspection (your MOT)

I’m not sure how far this proceed but I should be able to find out.

The real disappointment is that all this grief could have been avoided by the simple act of honest, direct communication.

The assertion that disgruntled customers make the most noise disproportionate to the majority is undoubtedly true. These statements are usually trotted out with a veil of sneery distain implying you’re just a whinger. Like it or not, that’s how society works today especially in a world of social media and why there is such attention to whistle blower policy and support.

Look what happened at UBER. A small number of employees (as a percentage anyway) managed to change staff structure and corporate culture simply by speaking out against the majority.

Had no one made a stand against non compliant Mongans in Australia other owners would have suffered and the Department of Infrastructure would not know where to look, and we know how successful that has been.

On the charge of “not to be aware of the issues simply shows a total lack of preparation prior to purchase” – I plead guilty, but with the extenuating excuse that at the time I believed the 4/4 was probably the most simple but beautiful, uncomplicated vehicle commercially available in the world and Morgan had been building them since 1936 – what could possibly go wrong.......?

Like you, I’m thoroughly enjoying my problem child now that I have managed to sort it out but right now I need to make a phone call.

Long live TM....


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