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I think Bill Fink says it all when He put a 2.3 Ecotec engine into an old Propane +8. "This Ecotec engine puts the "Sports" back into a Sports Car".
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Well, after all of this I have back pedalled a bit and ordered a PLUS 4 FROM BHM earlier today. I think the package will suit me and Mrs KenA better for some touring plus a bit of boy racer stuff for me when Mrs KenA is off on girly days out.
Many thanks to all contributors that helped with this decision.
The Plus 8 need(or not) for that Evans stuff is now history!! Hope you managed to hang onto the bikes. Good luck with the Plus4, I've got one a Duratec Plus4 and although not the fastest car I've driven its great fun.
"Hasta la victoria siempre"
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Well, after all of this I have back pedalled a bit and ordered a PLUS 4 FROM BHM earlier today. I think the package will suit me and Mrs KenA better for some touring plus a bit of boy racer stuff for me when Mrs KenA is off on girly days out.
Many thanks to all contributors that helped with this decision.
The Plus 8 need(or not) for that Evans stuff is now history!! Congratulations Ken. The Plus 4 is a great choice. It is true that there is not a lot you can do with the engine of the GDI but it does produce nice usable power as is, and you can always add a sports exhaust system. What colours and extras have you ordered?
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At least we know Ken hasn't ordered non-standard coolant  Good one Ken - probably the best balance between chuckability and out and out zoom! 
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Congrats. on the decision Ken, I know it is one you won't regret. When I took the standard GDi Plus 4 out for a test last week, I was surprised by just how lively it felt in the mid range, especially when I was used to having to rev. my ARP4 to find the power.
I'm sure you will let us know how things progress after delivery?
Paul
[At last, I have a car I can polish]
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Paul. You did not specify that you were thinking in terms of the turbo engines. The 1.6 EcoBoost would not be a replacement for the 4/4 but would be, in effect, a replacement for the Roadster.
A possible EcoBoost replacement for the 4/4 would be the tiny 1 litre 3 cylinder in its more powerful version: 92 kW (123 hp), 170 N·m (125 lb·ft) from 1,400–4,500 rpm and 200 N·m (148 lb·ft) on overboost
Compare that to the current Plus 4: Max Power 115 kw (154 bhp) @ 6000 rpm, Max Torque 201 Nm (148 lb/ft)
By comparison the 4/4: Max Power 82 kw (110 bhp) @ 6000 rpm
Max Torque 131 Nm (97 lb/ft)
At the end of the day it is all about torque from low to mid range. In the real world that is acceleration, overtaking, getting up hills etc.
Having said all that it is difficult to get good torque from a small engine until the turbo cuts in (turbo lag). I know that it is better now than it was in the past but it still exists. It surprises me that more work is not done on small supercharged engines.
The Lotus Elise SC is a good example of what can be done: 218 horsepower at 7800 rpm and 153 pound-feet of torque at 5500 rpm from a 1.8 engine. It has a very flat torque curve but is a fairly high revving engine. An engine tuned for less ultimate power at lower rpm would probably produce good torque from lower rpm too. You are quite right Peter, I kept the turbo thing up my sleeve, but I honestly think it could be the way to go. I drove a 2.3 Ford RS Focus recently and that had so much low down torque and the turbo lag was virtually non existent, at least, I couldn't feel it, especially compared with the Saab 9000 turbo I owned for 6 years some time ago, in which nothing happened until 3500 and it would then take off like a scalded cat, giving huge amounts of torque steer, especially if in 2nd and overtaking, crossing a white line in the wet! Very exciting!
Paul
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What colours and extras have you ordered?
We needed to place the order by 12 noon Friday to secure the MMC incentives. For sure it will be metallic red, possibly Maserati Rosso with white leather trim, full width bumpers, alloy wheels inc spare, mohair roof and cover, wing mounted side lights. We will be at BHM next week to finalise.
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What colours and extras have you ordered?
We needed to place the order by 12 noon Friday to secure the MMC incentives. For sure it will be metallic red, possibly Maserati Rosso with white leather trim, full width bumpers, alloy wheels inc spare, mohair roof and cover, wing mounted side lights. We will be at BHM next week to finalise. Well done Congratulations White leather !!!?? No wearing Le Pantalon De Nimes
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If the white leather is Waterproof version you might be ok with Pantalon de Nimes - otherwise take extreme care!!
Like the paint choice.
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