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I‘m happy with my Vredestein T-Trac 2 on my 4/4. Next spring I need some new ones. I have just seen that the tire is still in production but they skipped the fitting dimension of 165/80/15 out of production.

Does anyone drive a 4/4 with Vredestein classic in the dimension 185/70/15 on a 4/4?

The other very few brands offering 185/70/15 are Michelin and Avon, and I think I don‘t like to pay up to 2.000€ and more for a set ot 4/4 tires.

I read somewhere that the Vredestein classic does not deliver the best wet performance but in my view it is a good looker. It is also available in 165/80/15. But my 4/4 really is faster now and could make good use of better braking in the dry. So is it useful to change to 185/70/15?

I do!
They fit the standad rims and they do not scratch the wings on my car.
Big improvement after the Conties but it I noticed more understeering tendencies. Better handling on straight drive and less 'nervous' behavior on bumpy roads.

I fitted the Vredesteins to Bumble and would have had them on the Plus 4, but they were unavailable in June 2016.

Just watch the clearance on the upper front spring mount. The 4/4 wheels have the largest inset and so it can be tight.

I wanted Blockleys but they didn't clear the mounting.

I have Vredestein classic’s and very pleased. Very sure footed in the dry but I don’t drive much in the wet. I’ve never noticed a problem in the wet. I’m actually on my second set as I spotted a small issue with my first set. Vredestein were brilliant and replaced them without question although they were nearly 3 years old. You do have to be a bit careful on a 4/4 at the rear. Back in the days when my rear suspension was out of control and would bottom, very occasionally the 185/70 tyres would scuff inside the rear wings. Nothing very much just a bit of polishing of the underseal and needed touching up occasionally. Now that my suspension is controlled with bump stops and Panhard rod I don’t have the problem. They do look a little chunkier on a 4/4. Will definitely buy again.

Might be worth while considering Michelin CrossClimate. Fantastic in the wet, certified for snow, and good for use in the summer too.

The only problem is that the nearest size is 185/65 R 15 92 load rating V speed rated 68dB €95,50 each.

They would be 6mm lower than 185/70 tyres so that would be something to consider if you had ground clearance issues. The lower car would probably corner a bit better.

I think Vredestein also do a 175/70HR15 in the Sprint Classic.

Good compromise to make sure of clearance on the front spring mounts on the standard 4/4 and a very good fit on the 5" wheels.

Lowers the car a bit compared to the 165/80R15 Conti and will probably need the speedo recalibrating but on my 4/4 the VDO speedo is easy to do.

I think I'm going to try them early next year unless someone on here really advises against them.

Maybe the Maxxis MA510N will be an alternative solution...?
Classified with a B for the wet grip (like T-Trac2).

Thanks for your input. I will see, if I could get another set of T-Trac2 I would go for them. But I have to say that the now 2 year old tyres have nothing in common with the formerly new ones. I don‘t need new ones because the tread would be an issue. But the performance faded away significantly. Now they feel hard, dry and brittle.

BTW how are the Vredestein classic regardless if 165/80 oer 185/70 after two years of use?

Thanks for the recommendation, I have seen they are rated at C for the wet grip (what I have found) but that should not be an issue as all the competitors are way worse.

Avon tyres are very good, or at least the ones on my bike are. And you're a bit more dependant on tyre quality on two wheels at 70mph .