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by G Walker - 24/08/26 06:52 PM
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Simon, regarding faith and politics: sometimes I feel their remit extends to the automotive world, such is brand loyalty!
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Simon, regarding faith and politics: sometimes I feel their remit extends to the automotive world, such is brand loyalty! Stand in the middle of an Evo vs Impreza, Air-cooled vs Water-cooled 911 or TVR Lover vs Detractor debate and I'd entirely agree with you 
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Simon, regarding faith and politics: sometimes I feel their remit extends to the automotive world, such is brand loyalty! Stand in the middle of an Evo vs Impreza, Air-cooled vs Water-cooled 911 or TVR Lover vs Detractor debate and I'd entirely agree with you And others.....  Yet so sad, as clearly, as Robert already aptly mentioned, we all have different likes and dislikes, so why not just accept that one prefers the Evo one the Scooby etc....
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I do not see a golden halo around the company, nor do I view the product through rose tinted spectacles; however, I have taken the time to get to know the people behind the cars and while they, like the product, isn't always perfect, I would never question their passion, commitment or dedication to the product or the constant improvement of it.
My previous comments stand - the more you charge for a product the more demanding I believe the customer becomes (this is as true as a move from a £30k 4/4 Sport to a £50k Roadster V6 as it is for a £70k Aero 8 to a £135k SS) and therefore, a constant evaluation of quality and commitment to constant improvement is necessary to ensure commercial success. I had started a post which I have now deleted, as Simon's post adequately covers most of the points that I was going to make. I did feel also that Alistair's post was apposite. As Morgan owners we all know that despite the intrinsic quality of most modern Morgan's, there is still a period when the new cars have to be fettled and this applies to many trads; as well as Aero's. I am currently going through that process again, and Boshers does misquote me somewhat in his first post as the point that I make to him is that having bought a MMC demonstrator, he has not had this particular experience as his car was already 'sorted'. Most of us go into the buying experience with our eyes open, and are willing to have some of the minor niggles sorted out by the factory, or in some cases the Dealer, over the first few months of ownership. To many new owners of an Aero, coming from a Porker, an Audi, or whatever, they are not aware that this is part of the experience and it can be a shock as it is not something they are necessarily used to. Please note I am not saying that all other prestige cars are faultless, they aren't as I know from my own experience(s), but you can't compare the perceived quality of our recent 911 and my new Aero SS. This is not an abject criticism of the company or the car, I have shown my backing of the company by buying several cars, but just a realistic assessment of both products. The good people at the factory will get my car right, it goes in for its first service shortly, but with a little more care it could have been much better. I think that Robert's view has been somewhat tarnished by his experience, but he is still posting on TM and thus, he is still interested in the marque. It is good to see Russell getting involved, as although I know he did not sell either the pedal car or the Aero to him, he is a Morgan Dealer of the right sort. Hopefully you will carry on posting here Robert, I for one enjoy your contributions and look forward to seeing you back driving a Morgan of some sort in the future; and I don't mean the pedal car! Brian
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Funny thing is, I always thought I was an Evo man (specifically VI Makinen) until I had a passenger ride in an RB5 putting out a reliable 320bhp with 320lb ft of torque. Sensational thing, I still have first dibs on buying it should the owner ever part...
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Perfect summary of the QC/Morgan scenario and I have no issue with any of the above. I too hope we see Robert back in a Morgan 
I did feel also that Alistair's post was apposite.
I must now comment on the above, and naturally on Alistairs original post. I in no way take what either Aeroman or Alistair said in a detrimental manner nor am I offended by the same. My original response to Alistairs post was taken with the humour I think it was meant to portary and the diplomacy he was proferring. However, if anyone views the fact that I comment on what I see as an extreme, untrue or controversial fact (albeit stated of course as personal opinion) as to be really a sign that I am suffering from PMT then its a mighty sad occasion and detracts from the forum being a forum. It would appear I am never far from controversy here on TM  but hopefully my posts are reasoned, clear and sometimes with a bit of humour, though of course my humble opinion. I speak my mind you see.
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Blimey Boshers you're in a fighting mood today.  Gents, as someone who has lived in the digital world all of his working life (but not gained the salary of Neo or his acting alter-ego) I think it is an opportune moment to introduce a little parable we worked out some time back for the use of email with our customers.
Email - a limited and miserable tool intended to convey information between _different_ people. It uses (the english) language which is imprecise at the best of times as no two people comprehend it the same way. As it removes audible and visual queues it only contains the least valuable 33% of the true information at best. Email does not create the friends you want to keep. If anything is going south in email then it should not be on email. Nuff said imho. 
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Blimey Boshers you're in a fighting mood today. As always. Totally agree with what Alistair posted and why he posted it. Just didnt want anyone to think I accepted that I was really being 'pre-menstrual' by stating what I did. Others may think differently. BTW I dont think I have ever typed so many things to do with mentruation in one day  or maybe ever
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BTW I dont think I have ever typed so many things to do with mentruation in one day or maybe ever Must be the change of life... 
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BTW I dont think I have ever typed so many things to do with mentruation in one day or maybe ever Must be the change of life... Don't you start, I'm feisty today 
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BtG
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