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If this post http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/441569/3
about having to maintain compliance with Euro 4 for at least 20,000km is correct, how could 'reversed' vehicles get through their MOTs or be sold? And if owners were asked to pay Road Tax in the Euro 4 band, would they be prosecuted? MMC must have considered all this before offering to undo Euro 4 changes.

My M3W (arriving in a fortnight) was deliberately registered by the dealer on the last date for Euro 3 compliance without the need for an SVA.

No, the SVA cars are individually approved - each one is taken to a DVLA testing centre in Exeter. It's a completely separate process to building a Euro4 homologated car and then modifying it which would all be done at MMC.

Just to add to the confusion, there is a small batch of dealer ordered SVA cars due to go through production alongside the Euro4 ones. These should be available quicker and could work out cheaper than a Euro4 modified vehicle.

It'll be interesting what spec the USA will be getting....

I raised a similar question to Jays issue earlier too. My view is that it might be wise for the factory to distance itself from being directly involved with the reverse-conversion back to EU3, as it is very much against the spirit of the law and intention of the legislation.

We are all able to make modifications to our cars and maintain legality and indeed many, many of us have done so already. Some of those mods are carried out by the owners, some by dealers and some by a separate organisation called Aero Racing. These are legitimate modifications, which provided they still pass the requirements of the MoT are, I suspect, entirely legal in the eyes of the DVLA. There is a world of difference between the level of scrutiny and measurement required for an annual MoT and those of European Type Approval. This is how we can all happily modify vehicles and 'get away with it'. In this regard we are lucky in the UK, as other EU countries, such as Germany, do not enjoy the same flexibility.

I just think the factory need to be a bit more careful with all this talk of buying the 'EU3 kit' when the cars are ordered, as no other manufacture would allow this as far as I can see.

Interesting times, for sure.

Morgan Motor Company Ltd and Aero Racing Ltd are two separate companies..

They simply share premises.

Factory churns out homologated cars...customer requests Aero Racing for modifications and car leaves at bottom of car park, where Aero Racing collect it and modify it.

Very handy, that..

Fitting cars with Sports Exhausts (3 or 4 wheeled) is the same process.

I have no idea if the Euro 'conversion kit' is real or not, but as Aero Racing operates on a post production basis at customer request, Morgan Motor Company comply with all homologation regs with building cars.

I think..!!

Exactly as I understand it. It's just that if someone with a real enthusiasm for bureaucracy got their teeth into MMC, it might not be pretty. Just sayin'....!

If it's illegal for MMC, it's illegal for the owner to do the same.

If we as the owner removes a catalytic converter on our car and it fails the sniffer, we can be fined just like a manufacturer.

It's just that most of the time the "man" will not mess with an individual, but take on a company to make a point.

Personally, I would not hesitate to back convert to an older regulation, especially in this regard.

In the UK the M3W isn't subject to an emissions test after it's delivered so one less thing to worry about.

In the States, this is classed as a motorcycle. There are differences. If it was a car each state would, and should, hook it up to an emissions tester. Motorcycles are different! Most yearly inspections, if required, only determine that all the lights work and that there is sufficient rubber on the tires to be legal. That's it! California may hook up bikes to emissions testers but no other state does.

Not immediately, but after three years the MOT test will assess compliance with EURO 4. And, as I mentioned above, owners of converted, and therefore non-compliant EURO 4 vehicles could be prosecuted if they pay VED for that band or if they sell them as EURO 4. How would a dealer be able to advertise second-hand vehicles without falling foul of Trading Standards? Am I missing something?

Tricycles and quadracycles are exempt from emissions testing at the MOT in the UK.

I found this out after submitting mine for its first MOT. When the tester tested the emissions it failed marginally, after some searching it was found that it was not a required test. At subsequent MOT's it has not been tested.