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Since buying a 2013 M3W last April, I’ve learned a lot about these little monsters, with most of the useful information coming right here from TalkMorgan. And although I realize now that no two Morgan’s are ever identical, hopefully there is value to somebody out there by sharing my journey, trials and tribulations.

First a bit more about the car itself. Ex-factory she came black-on-black, with the RAF roundels, and shark nose decals, the bright pack, a trickle charger, and a mohair tonneau. And that was about it. The original owner who ordered the car new had done only 780 miles, and in the 3 years under his ownership, the car had just an engine oil change and that was about it.

With a November 2013 build date, she came with none of the “upgrades” - chassis brace, centa Drive, Urban Cooling Pack, steering comfort pack were all missing. The car was sold on Bring-a-Trailer, and the absence of all of the above must have scared most bidders away, allowing me to pick up the car for a reasonable price, at least state-side.

This is the way she looked as originally advertised:
[img]http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144605227[/img]

The shark nose and Union Jack decals were fun for about 3 days, but looked cheap in my eyes (the material, that is) - so they were soon gone. A Brookland steering wheel was installed, as well as an Aero Racing Stage 1 air filter and free flow exhaust.

Many hours were spend considering AR vs G56, and in the end I chose for AR, in part due to the G56 unit being out of stock at the time of ordering, but probably more so due to my (in hindsight, misguided) desire to keep the car “factory original”. The AR exhaust was coated in flat black, and modified to allow the heat shields to be mounted on top, exactly as the original exhaust (allowing to switch back to the original exhaust if I would ever choose to do so, something that is - again in hindsight - highly unlikely). The heat shields were flat black coated as well. Purely for esthetical reasons, the headers were wrapped all the way down (even though there are varying opinions about this on TM).

So this is what she looks like right now:
[img]http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144605018[/img]

Which is where the real work began.....but what all was needed to bring her up to standard? After a lot of studying, I settled on the following initial list:
1) bolt-in chassis brace
2) centa drive
3) comfort steering pack
4) Urban Cooling Pack
5) S&S pulley fix, and timing belt cover cooling
6) sprocket
7) Union Jack enamel badges
8) a new pedal box (leaking cylinders), new clutch (since we have to pull it out anyway, why not)

Parts were ordered from Morgan, and after a bit of a wait.....came in and were ready to be installed. Unfortunately I have more ideas than technical skills, and realized soon that I needed help. Which brought me to MSA Classics (MSAClassics.com) in Georgia. Mitch, who runs MSA Classics, is well known in the vintage racing circuit, and came highly recommended by Morgan afficionados in the South. Mitch knows his way around Morgans, and so the journey started in earnest. Mitch has been nothing short of amazing to work with - absolutely a magician with spanners, and honest to the core. Good people!

And while most of these upgrades are standard fare for most of the folks on TM, there are a few mods that might be of real interest to the community:

Realizing the weight of the original Morgan steel sprocket, a switch was quickly made to a SuperMax version. A no-brainer really.

Nor did I like the cheapo feel of the Urban cooling pack. So we took the idea, and are now playing around with an aluminum version. This is he first mock-up; the finale version will be downsized, and coated in (you guessed it) flat black. Work-in-progress...to be continued.
http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604963

Same issue with the comfort steering kit......understand that it works, but it is just such an un-elegant solution. I thought about the empire kit for a while, but landed on a simpler idea: lower the car as Malvern originally intended. So which path: Spax, Supplex, or Ohlins?

And after reading everything on TM, I reached out to Peter and Dan at SSL. They have taken over the supply of Supplex - which was always my preferred choice, except for the rebound spring in the rear shocks. SSL proposed modified rears, removing the rebound spring. Problem solved, shocks on order. Waiting for delivery. And hopefully once they come in, it will be possible to clear the exhaust header sufficiently to get to the optimal ride-height. I’m not totally sure yet, we’ll see - said the Zen Master.

But by far, my most precious resource throughout this journey, has been PhiI and his blog: http://www.bleazey.co.uk/M3W.html

Around the time that I got the new centa drive parts from Morgan, stories started to surface on TM of disintegrating rubber inserts. Seeing the parts for the first time, I was not very impressed by the insert engineering design either - and even less so by the lack of a bearing to support the front end of the centa unit inner rotor. Really? Several e-mails with Phil later, an order was placed for a full kit, including new inserts, a bearing for the inner rotor and shaft, as well as mounting brackets for the bevel box. My car does not have the NVH “kit” (thankfully) - so all I will be using is the top mount to distribute the load throughout the chassis. Phil’s kit came in last week, and Mitch has been working hard to put everything back together. The fit was absolutely perfect, and Phil was super helpful to answer any questions we had during the install.

http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604915
http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604938
http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604937
http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604957

During the process, the bevel box was pulled from the car and disassembled - revealing the black sludge resulting from Morgan’s additive. It took hours on the cleaner to get it all off, but luckily the gears are clean. Interesting to see that a Quaife used a conical bearing - would love to hear the idea behind that from any of the experts out there. Refilled with Red Line, it looks like disaster averted. With 1600 miles on the counter, barely..

With Phil’s part installed,and the engine back in, no time yet for a thorough shake-down, but initial results seem impressive. The “bag of marbles” sound is gone (as expected), but more importantly, it’s now possible to smoothly take-off purely on clutch control without additional accelerator input. Previously, about 1800 rpms were needed to get the car going without stalling. Surprisingly the engine runs smoother as well, with less vibrations; not quite sure why that is as nothing was changed to the engine besides an oil change. Will post more details on the driving experience soonest, as I assume there might be quite of bit of interest for this out there.

And finally, a Stage 2 G56 kit has arrived for installation. S&S refused to sell an open ECU, which I needed to activate the cooling fan. I could have send the ECU off to Morgan-spares here in the US, but having come this far, we decided to go all the way - and unlock the true potential of this beauty. This will done in the next few weeks, Sls it tight.

So a lot more to come, but hopefully this is something of interest to the community, and worth sharing.

To be continued.....

(ps: as this is my first real post, apologies if the picture links don’t come out as expected. Learner’ plates.)

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....To be continued.....

(ps: as this is my first real post, apologies if the picture links don’t come out as expected. Learner’ plates.)






WOW!! No wonder you haven't been posting much, you've been far too busy.

Very thoughtful and impressive post. Thanks for sharing it with us.


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Welcome to TM.

And well done with all the work carried out on your car.

Do keep us posted with your further experiences.


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dlivadas, hi.
Your custom made fan shroud and cover look great.
Who made them? Any more details?
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That is a great write up of your work so far. This shows the effort and expense involved to get that "bargain" low mileage early M3W into good useable condition if it hasn't been upgraded by the original owner. It can be a bargain if you factor in the costs. You will have a better than new car at the end with the Phils transmission and G56 mods.

Look forward to hearing how it all goes and your driving impressions. Your smooth take-off will be helped by dumping the standard exhaust as well as the transmission mods. The G56 kit and AR systems improve the engine running greatly.

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Well done Dimitri - it looks as though you have got yourself an exciting and comfortable ride. Phil


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1. Great to see careful upgrades
2. Great to see Phil's updates in process!

I can see these drivetrain mods being mid-life updates for many M3Ws.


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Thanks for all the encouraging comments, much appreciated!

What I didn’t mention is why I got into the little MOG to begin with. It’s my first Morgan, coming after a life-long addiction to Italian beauty’s that started with a ‘74 AR 2000 GTV. So I am familiar with paying for the privilege of being an unofficial factory test driver. But in the last few years I had gotten to a point where the car I had - a Japan-only limited edition ‘07 Maserati GranSport - was too fast too enjoy on public roads without fear of losing one’s license, too expensive too maintain even without driving it. And although I am a firm believer that cars are made to be driven, I couldn’t drive it for fear of putting too many miles on it and the hit it would take depreciation wise. And when I did drive it, I was worried about the car being dinged, banged or scratched in any way. In short, loved the idea, but no longer the reality. I’m sure you get the picture.

None of those concerns with the M3W. Put miles on it? Just means it’s being developed to run better. Dings and scratches? Added patina. Depreciation? Relative to other “exotica”, not much to lose. The fact that, when you drive it, people don’t look at you like you’re an axx, an added bonus. And the ability of having the most smiles per mile at road-legal speeds.....or so I thought.

Because what I learned when I first got the car - I bought her sight unseen, never haven driven an M3W except in my mind based on the Jay Leno’s, TG etc videos - is that the only way to drive the car in a relaxed and smooth manner, was to keep her between 3,500 and 4,500 rpm (diesel engine anyone?) which didn’t just suit the gear ratio’s very well on B (or better, C) roads, but also put me well over the speed limits in Georgia. So, as much as I have a need for speed, my journey to mod the drive train is really fueled by making the car more tractable - and driveable - at low speeds (without falling into the lugging trap). Try to explain that to any sane person.....the wonderful world of Morgans :-)

Mission accomplished, time will tell.

What I did forget to add in my original write-up, is that I also changed the front tires to Blockley’s - and the rear to a Yokohama AVID Envigor (the only matching tire I couldn find in the US with a clear directional pattern similar to the original Giugaro-designed part. Does anybody have experience with that one?

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Thanks John.

Mitch at MSA Classics (mitch@MSAclassics.com) is making it.
The objectives we have for the part are a few:
1) upgrade the “touch and feel” from Morgan’s plastic to aluminium
2) reduce the bulkiness of the original parts between engine and front of the bonnet
3) minimize the overhang on top that takes away from the clean V-twin look
4) maintain the use of original throttle cable that “sticks up”

What you see on the picture is the first mock-up, addressing mainly (1) and (2), with about an inch or more saved in the back.

For (3), the plan is to cut down the overhang, so the front width matches the width of the stage 1 S&S muscle cover, going into a T-shape towards the back where the mounting eyes are (for strength). Quite similar to the pre-urban cooling kit little piece of metal that was sitting on top - but on a slightly bigger scale.
For (4), we plan to drill a hole in the top that the throttle cable can feed through.

Flat black versus aluminium is a personal choice, but on my car with the bright pack and the chrome cowl, it just starts to look like too much “bling” up front.

Will post more pictures as we progress.

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One other small mod has been the addition of a battery kill switch in the interior on the driver side. Love the look of the Duzz fasteners, so didn’t really want to change to the different type latches, but I was getting fed up of struggling to remove/fit the bonnet just to disconnect the main.

I settled on this part, which offers nice functionality, and is not too bulky. The red “clown nose” can (and will be) removed - leaving a nice metal switch on display. Installed right under the dash, conveniently located to use without getting in the way of my right knee (I’m not the tallest person in the world).

http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604989
http://mog3w.simplesite.com/438338332?i=144604991
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