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You really don't know something is wrong until it fails. Mine had cracks leading up to total failure and I only perceived it as the engine was trying its best to leave...
What's your mileage? Who cares. Is it practical? See #1. What happens when it rains? You get wet.
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Has there been any sign of a recall or official way to get the chassis checked for cracks ?
Or are we ( the majority of owners ) in a "wait for it to happen to you" situation then start negotiating with Morgan ( probably at a cost ) to get it fixed , as usual?
I am not happy the onus seems as ever on the owner to spot the defect.
They were reasonably proactive with the chassis brace a couple of years ago, hoping they are with this latest issue before someone gets hurt.
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You say you are aware of 7 2013 cars in total with the cracks. Looking at the M3W registry on this forum there are 37 cars registered against the 2013 model year.
Are all 7 of the cars that exhibited the failures registered on the list - if so that would be 7 out of 34 cars.
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Has there been any sign of a recall or official way to get the chassis checked for cracks ?
Or are we ( the majority of owners ) in a "wait for it to happen to you" situation then start negotiating with Morgan ( probably at a cost ) to get it fixed , as usual?
I am not happy the onus seems as ever on the owner to spot the defect.
They were reasonably proactive with the chassis brace a couple of years ago, hoping they are with this latest issue before someone gets hurt. It is simply "amazing" that given the overwhelming evidence there has not been a recall. I'm sure all TM'ers have no desire to see this thread drift via the Hospital emergency department or the obituaries at worst... It is very clear and evident there has been "a total lack of preparation"...
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The relevant words from the DVSA governing recalls are as follows
The general product safety regulations 2005 states that where a producer or distributor knows that a product it has placed on the market or supplied poses risks to the consumer, that are incompatible with the general safety requirements, it will immediately notify an enforcement authority in writing.
“A safety related defect is a failure due to design and/or construction, which is likely to affect the safe operation of the product/aftermarket part without prior warning to the user and may pose a significant risk to the driver, occupants and others. This defect will be common to a number of products/aftermarket parts that have been sold for use in the United Kingdom”
If such a defect occurred it could cause significant risk of serious injury or death and cannot normally be identified by routine maintenance or obvious changes to the normal handling or performance of the vehicle that the driver continues to ignore. It is a sudden and catastrophic failure of a component that occurs with little or no warning to the driver to enable preventative action to be taken.
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The relevant words from the DVSA governing recalls are as follows
The general product safety regulations 2005 states that where a producer or distributor knows that a product it has placed on the market or supplied poses risks to the consumer, that are incompatible with the general safety requirements, it will immediately notify an enforcement authority in writing.
“A safety related defect is a failure due to design and/or construction, which is likely to affect the safe operation of the product/aftermarket part without prior warning to the user and may pose a significant risk to the driver, occupants and others. This defect will be common to a number of products/aftermarket parts that have been sold for use in the United Kingdom”
If such a defect occurred it could cause significant risk of serious injury or death and cannot normally be identified by routine maintenance or obvious changes to the normal handling or performance of the vehicle that the driver continues to ignore. It is a sudden and catastrophic failure of a component that occurs with little or no warning to the driver to enable preventative action to be taken. Well as I read that statement there is no ambiguity in it whatsoever.
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An interesting parallel is the issue Vauxhall faced with the Zafira catching fire, for which they are now facing criminal investigation for failing to respond adequately.
230,000 model B Zafira's were produced between 2005 and 2014 of which 161 caught fire. This gives a failure rate of 0.07 %.
I understand that in 2013 782 M3W's were produced of which Roger is aware of 7 having failed. 7 out of 782 would give a failure rate of 0.89% which is more than 10 times the failure rate of the Zafira. It is reasonable to assume that Roger can't be the fountain of all knowledge relating to vehicles which have failed and therefore there must be more.
My 2013 car is coming back from the dealer tomorrow having had an oil leak fixed. I will be looking very closely.
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Blimey, that really puts it in perspective surely the legal department must have looked at this and done a few sums. God forbid anything happens to anyone else as it did in the wet in France but I can't help thinking eventually it will with the prevailing attitude surrounding these failures. As the numbers steadily increase in the states with the kind of mileages those guys are doing litigation would be uppermost in my mind were it my baby to hold.
A wing and a prayer comes to mind, is it possible to get these welds and tubes ultrasonically tested in situ. If this is the case I think that's what I would be doing. I hired some kit and an operative to check out on site some 50 metre X 150mm tubular guyed transmitting masts and this worked very successfully.
Good luck with your M3W they really are exciting cars for sure.
Thank you for this insight.
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An interesting parallel is the issue Vauxhall faced with the Zafira catching fire, for which they are now facing criminal investigation for failing to respond adequately.
230,000 model B Zafira's were produced between 2005 and 2014 of which 161 caught fire. This gives a failure rate of 0.07 %.....
These were down to faulty maintenance, if I recall. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Zafira#Known_issues
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The ongoing legal proceedings suggest that isn't the case. The argument was made initially that the root cause was faulty maintenance, but most of the evidence was actually a pile of ash after the event which I suspect made reaching meaningful conclusions a bit tricky.
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