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Sifab radiator ordered today, I’m now looking forward to polishing it 😃


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Originally Posted By Rog
Originally Posted By Richard Wood
Just pulled this from Ford workshop manual.

[i]Thermostat

The 1.6L Duratec-16V Ti-VCT engine is equipped with an electronic thermostat. The electronic thermostat will manually open if the coolant temperature has reached 98°C and there is no current flowing to the thermostat electrical element. When the engine is under load the electrical thermostat will receive a current from the PCM. The electrical current will heat the element inside the thermostat to allow the engine coolant to flow through the radiator when the coolant temperature has reached 60°C.


Assuming it applies to versions used by MMC, it goes some way to explaining unexpected coolant temps especially with non-standard installations.

This technique was also used on the early 1.8 and 2.0L Duratec engines. Fortunately it was dropped on the later builds used in our Morgans and replaced with a standard lower temp opening stat. Because the thermostats is located remotely at the bottom of the engine on the cooler coolant input the mechanical stat might not react quick enough to sudden temp increases from hard acceleration etc. So the ECU can detect the sudden head temp increases and activate a heating element in the stat housing to encourage it to open if necessary . I think they call it progress…….


I changed the thermostat of my 2014 Sigma 4/4 three years ago because it stayed open all the time causing a too cool motor run during low temperature periods. There is no electrical connection at all other than in the Ford WS manual described. In addition the Morgan does not have the other temp sensor which in some Ford models is screwed into the head measuring dry metal temperature. All in all it is a more simple version at the 4/4 without any electrical influence at the thermostat but it works ok if all the parts are ok.


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Dear fellow Morganneers,

a good friend of mine told me yesterday, that it is perfectly o.k. to vent your anger
and indulge in some ranting on a forum but he also said that I should not forget to post a couple of words if I had been reconciled.

Right he is!

So, here's the 2nd part of my story: Since I was a little disappointed about my Morgan dealer's warranty policy and in addition being scared to go on the Autobahn for two and a half hours, I took my car to Morgan/Mini Schmitt-BCS only a couple of miles from where I live.
It is a father and son venture dating back to 1973 and I guess one could say: they have seen it all.
We agreed to go a little further than just changing the radiator to a Sifab model;
they also threw out the plastic airfilter behind the radiator, which was blocking the airflow and installed a K&N sportfilter further back in the engine compartment.
The radiator and the connecting hoses also got new mountings to safely isolate them from suspension-induced internal movements.
But these were only the main issues.
When I picked up the car yesterday, I had a hard time to recognise my old engine compartment. What a wonderful job! Nothing is done without a certain reason behind it and everything looks absolutely immaculate.

Not to mention the new sound.
I did not really think that there would be a change and therefore was in for a big surprise:
The car sounds much more throaty now and it is a delight to listen to it revving up!

I am not exaggerating when I say: I fell in love with this machine for the second time.

You can find more pics in the gallery!

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/527682/New_Sifab_radiator_and_K&a#Post527682


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Originally Posted By Winglad


So, here's the 2nd part of my story: Since I was a little disappointed about my Morgan dealer's warranty policy and in addition being scared to go on the Autobahn for two and a half hours, I took my car to Morgan/Mini Schmitt-BCS only a couple of miles from where I live.
It is a father and son venture dating back to 1973 and I guess one could say: they have seen it all.
We agreed to go a little further than just changing the radiator to a Sifab model;
they also threw out the plastic airfilter behind the radiator, which was blocking the airflow and installed a K&N sportfilter further back in the engine compartment.
The radiator and the connecting hoses also got new mountings to safely isolate them from suspension-induced internal movements.
But these were only the main issues.
When I picked up the car yesterday, I had a hard time to recognise my old engine compartment. What a wonderful job! Nothing is done without a certain reason behind it and everything looks absolutely immaculate.

Not to mention the new sound.
I did not really think that there would be a change and therefore was in for a big surprise:
The car sounds much more throaty now and it is a delight to listen to it revving up!

I am not exaggerating when I say: I fell in love with this machine for the second time.

You can find more pics in the gallery!

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/527682/New_Sifab_radiator_and_K&a#Post527682



Glad you like the new radiator

Simon @ SiFab.co.uk


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Looks good, Winglad. Why do you have the metal shield above the KN filter, to get a better airflow or to reduce some loudness of the sound? Could you please add one pic where I can see the total of the area below the windscreen? I‘m wondering if parts like the water expansion tank or the heater fan are still at the same location?
Do you still use the original accordion tube in front of the K&N? Is the other additional tube which leads to the TB part of the K&N set? Which part number does the K&N set have?

Do you think you still have the same good low rev torque as with the standard air induction or is your solution focussed on high rev power at first?

So many questions, Thanks:)


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Hello Heinz,

I will take a pic for you of the windscreen-area.
The aluminium ‚roof‘ above the filter prevents water from the louvres to drip down into the K&N.

I will try to answer your other question later on ;-)

Cheers!


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Here we go:

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/galleries/527706#Post527706

(The last two pics are the ones, you did request)

I do not feel a torque loss in the lower rev-range.
IMHO the car feels 30 Kg lighter now (but this could be due to the fact, that it just SOUNDS faster :))) )

Mr. Schmitt saw all your questions and was so kind as to answer them in German.
I'll send you a p.m.

Hope, I was of help!

EDIT: For the others; I did not mean to be ignorant. So here is a sum-up of Mr. Schmitt's answer to Heinz' questions:
Quote "There is no specific K&N kit for the 4/4; all hoses and mountings have been custom made and designed by Schmitt-BCS." End quote

To my knowledge, the heater fan is still original and the harmonica-hose is gone!?

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Thanks a lot, Winglad, I have got your PM.


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