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by Morganmike - 21/09/26 07:54 PM
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As long as the issue for battery resources and disposal is not resolved we still have a fundamental problem.
Agreed... the Hydrogen powered fuel cell is, to my mind, a far more environmentally sound solution. I'm led to believe that the production of Hydrogen isn't a very environmentally clean process, though..?
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Interesting. I looked on Auto Trader and according to them the cheapest Nissan Leaf, brand new, was £27,000. I then looked for 3 year old cars with average mileage. Prices seemed to start from £7,000. Hardly “free” motoring over 3 years!
Sir P By “free” I meant fuel costs, all cars depreciate (even Morgan’s) over time. So yes I accept that it won’t be worth as much after three years but then again so does an ICE car
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With the manufacturers predicted life of the battery pack to be 5 years/ 100000 miles, who in their right mind would buy a 3 year old used car, with only 2 years life expectation
You can take out a battery pack lease deal , this will set you back £100 plus / month, the numbers just don't add up. Do not take out a lease battery, completely wrong way to go, ev’s have been around for several years and the incidence of batteries wearing out or needing replacing are minimal. In fact batteries are being recycled and used for storage of electricity in homes and workspaces, and even after several years use in a car still have 75% capacity.
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I read about these milage figures but how do they stand up in the real world. What does it take in energy on a cold frosty,dark morning? How and what heats the cab up and clears the windows,and how long does it take? Complete electro novice. Not much more than in warmer weather, heats up quicker than an ICE because it doesn’t have en engine that has to heat up before you can heat the car, takes less than a minute for heat to come through all you’re doing is drawing power from the battery, and no it doesn’t reduce range that much.
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I have two clients with Nissan Leafs. They each say that they can only really get 60 miles out of them. Nissan apparently give you one free tow home a year.
Can't imagine how 150 miles is possible....?
Nick They’ll be mark 1 leafs which had a range of approx 100 miles mark 2leafs have a range of approx 140-160 miles. Hyundai Kona is quoted at 300 so you’ll probably get 250 ish in the real world
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And lets not forget that the average earner has contributed considerably to the installation of the solar panels in whoever is wealthy enough to afford them's house and if they charge up on the road we subsidise that too.....then it doesn't look all that free does it? I have solar panels and I don't consider myself overly wealthy. Ditto
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Interesting figures, the Leaf is quite popular here but friends who have them only get 140 -150 km per charge and the late model ones a bit less apparently they require a software update - not available here as Nissan don't support the vehicles as they didn't sell them, they are all second hand Jap imports!
It seems that only Tesla do what they promise mileage wise . I do wonder what happens to all the old batteries in future and the people mining the lithium ? See my earlier answer regarding recycling of batteries, lithium miners will be fine as solid state battery technology is moving ahead exponentially and will supersede lithium over time
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As long as the issue for battery resources and disposal is not resolved we still have a fundamental problem.
Not much of a problem in the UK. Firstly, EV batteries, even the early technology versions, are lasting much much longer than originally forecast. Then when they do reach End of Life capacity for vehicular use they are being re-used in storage arrays for the VPP (Virtual Power Plant) industry which is growing incredibly quickly not only in the UK but across Europe. Finally, the batteries are being recycled - not very many at the moment because there simply aren't that many that need recycling yet. The company is called powervault, see below. https://www.powervault.co.uk/
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Yep, they are focusing on domestic arrays. EDF is working with Nissan to build commercial-scale systems using old shipping containers 
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I'm waiting for cars with hydrogen technology.
Electricity is fine for my bicycle. The support lasts for a full day
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