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On dual carriageways and motorways you can undertake slower vehicles. "stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left" from the Highway code. I was also told by a senior traffic officer that if there is not a queue and you travel for x amount of distance (I think it was a mile) then you may undertake by giving the driver ahead notice by indicating, flashing and sounding your horn as you go past on the nearside. This as you can imagine doesn't tend to go down well in general with the driver ahead  The general standard of driving in the UK especially on national speed limit roads is pretty poor. Seems even worse the more lanes there are. When did the inside lane become a lorry only lane on motorways? Seems that way to me anyway. Not true, you can only undertake in slowly moving congested traffic. Undertaking in a left lane and then pulling into a right lane is not allowed. Careless Driving.
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My observation would be that driving skills in general are poor. Forward planning, and being aware of surroundings are equally deficient. As others have said there is a lot of inappropriate use of speed too. Just the other day I sat watching drivers in a supermarket car park and was amazed at how fast people drove.
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No-one's mentioned cyclists yet.. Steve, mentioning "them" is like spitting in church. We have had a purpose built cycle way built along a nice road through the Broads and nobody will use it as they need to slow down at junctions etc. They are just a nuisance especially the lycra louts, bum up, head down and b=*ger the motorists.
Here for a good time not a long time!!
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On dual carriageways and motorways you can undertake slower vehicles. "stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left" from the Highway code. I was also told by a senior traffic officer that if there is not a queue and you travel for x amount of distance (I think it was a mile) then you may undertake by giving the driver ahead notice by indicating, flashing and sounding your horn as you go past on the nearside. This as you can imagine doesn't tend to go down well in general with the driver ahead The general standard of driving in the UK especially on national speed limit roads is pretty poor. Seems even worse the more lanes there are. When did the inside lane become a lorry only lane on motorways? Seems that way to me anyway. Not true, you can only undertake in slowly moving congested traffic. Undertaking in a left lane and then pulling into a right lane is not allowed. Careless Driving. Thanks for the clarification Keith, do you know at what point i.e. distance, you are allowed to pull back into the outside lane or was this traffic officer talking bs? I can't ask him as he passed away the other year. It was told on a driving course by him.
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My understanding was always that the traffic had to be at walking pace for undertaking to be allowed.
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The way I see it, if I'm in lane 1 and cruise past slower moving traffic in lanes 2 and/or 3 without then moving into lane 2, then I'm not 'overtaking', it's just that they are in a slower traffic stream.
The number of times you see lane 1 empty with 2 & 3 with heavy traffic is depressingly common.
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Here in North America, we have solved the problem of too slow driving with state and Federal laws. It's legal on divided highways to pass in the right lanes if the left lanes are blocked. Similarly, on 2 lane roads, state laws require you to pull over at the first opportunity and let traffic pass you if more than 3 or 4 vehicles are behind.
It seems to work well, with minimum congestion on the open road. Why these policies haven't been implemented in UK is beyond me. In my experience American, or at least Californian, drivers are very courteous. When I was there it was impressed on me that "a driver's licence is a privilege, not a right".
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The way I see it, if I'm in lane 1 and cruise past slower moving traffic in lanes 2 and/or 3 without then moving into lane 2, then I'm not 'overtaking', it's just that they are in a slower traffic stream.
The number of times you see lane 1 empty with 2 & 3 with heavy traffic is depressingly common. Through family commitments, I have become a regular user of the M25 on Saturday mornings and evenings. I have noticed the same behaviour but perhaps more noticeable because there aren't as many lorries in the nearside lanes. I have regularly been in lane 1 in four lane sections with lane 2 empty, lane 3 with only a few cars in and lane 4 being the busiest with occasional bunching. I don't like the idea of crossing three lanes to overtake the sometimes slower moving traffic in the busier outer lanes so prefer to maintain speed, stay in the same quiet lane and, yes, technically, undertake. I recall an incident on the MI in the early 60s related to this theme when a well known celebrity (I think it was Tommy Steel) was prosecuted and publicly reprimanded through the media when undertaking in his e-type. I have regarded it as a cardinal sin ever since!
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OI leave us alone ...I'm going as fast as I can !!!!! 
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Brill. photo but his life jacket wouldn't help him much in the bigger water filled potholes on our roads!
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