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In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork. So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche. Okay, MMC has a development backlog of many decades. That's what makes these cars so attractive and unique. But if they want to sell in the future, they have to adapt in the meantime. When the 911 was released in 1964/65 many Porsche fans reacted shocked and said that this is not a Porsche. Only a 356 is a real Porsche. I can well understand, Jens, what you like about a Morgan. There are enough traditional Morgan that you can buy used for a long time... And it is due to the skill of MMC that a new technically modern model is also accepted and reflects the inner values of a Morgan.
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But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...
I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo  It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules. I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week.
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But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...
I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules. I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week. If the replacement engine meets current Euro standards then I would have thought they could. At the worst they could be IVA'd until the Low Volume Exemption (or whatever it is called these days) gets sorted?
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But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...
I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules. I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week. If the replacement engine meets current Euro standards then I would have thought they could. At the worst they could be IVA'd until the Low Volume Exemption (or whatever it is called these days) gets sorted? It is not as simple as you imagine, alas.
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500-600bhp in that weight - Ultima territory - that's going to take some work to adapt to as even the Aero owners enjoy the lazy torque more than the rev-the-furrys-off-it of the current cars. Geneva needs to come sooner.
Everyone loves a Morgan. Even me, unless it's broken again.
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Even a V12 Brian!  - the new model really does move the Morgan Trad into the modern age, whilst retaining the essence of the marque imho. 🙌 As you say not long now to the Press Days at Geneva, can’t wait for the reception...
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You could be dead right 😂
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I know I could be had for insider trading but I have just bought a heap of shares in the new Midlands Flubber factory 
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I discounted the idea when Autocar stated that the car would fit between the roadster and the Aero S5 / +8.
The BMW 4.4L "Hot V" N63 is offered in various states of tune from 444 to 591 bhp, which is hardly between the two models mentioned.
But a new 600 bhp V8 Aero S6 would be an interesting proposition!
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