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As for the soldiers that is not right in my mind. They were defending our liberty.
It's a very difficult issue, isn't it? Yes, the army was originally in Northern Ireland to protect the citizens from terrorist attacks. But at what point do we continue to offer soldiers (or police officers, firemen, or any public service) protection when they stray outside the law and outside what we might consider to be acceptable behaviour? There was a massive demonstration by motorcyclists in London yesterday, showing their support for Soldier F, and it was absolutely right that they should be able to do so. What would have happened if a squad of Police officers from the firearms unit decided that the bikers represented a threat to the public and started shooting them? Charges would quite properly be not only in order but demanded by the public. And what if the Police force closed ranks and made it very difficult to identify the perpetrators? How long should we go on trying to find those guilty? 5 years? 10? 50? In the case of Soldier F, I believe there is a strong argument for not charging him, but nevertheless the law indicates that there is sufficient evidence to gain a conviction. I suspect that a jury of his peers will disagree and reach a not guilty verdict, but we must let due process take its course. Otherwise what exactly is it we are fighting to defend? I have just spent three weeks travelling around Ireland - The North & Republic. I have no connection to the country or history but was aware of the "Troubles" My visit to Derry spending time with the locals from both sides or the religious divide and exploring the history was disturbing and emotional. Feelings still run very high in this part of the world.
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Will not load, I'm afraid.
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Will not load, I'm afraid. Runs ok here Bob on Windows 10. Here is the BBC link to this sad story NI
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Thanks, Rich. Horrendous religious stupidity.
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Thanks, Rich. Horrendous religious stupidity. 👍
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Religion is supposed to be about forgiveness, but somehow it always seems to get lost in translation.
I just can't compute the mindset of perpetual conflict, whether that's in Northern Ireland or anywhere else.
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Religion has very little to do with it. It just gives a convenient label because on one side you have people who tend to be from Catholic families and on the other side Protestants who were not entirely but largely of non Irish origins.
In a certain sense the tag of Catholicism represents the original Irish and is therefore associated with Irish nationalism whist the tag of Protestantism represents the migrants of the 1600s and English domination. Perhaps, many years ago, there was a strong element of religious reformation and counter reformation but today not that many people would even define themselves as religious.
Whilst ethnically there is little or no difference between the nationalists and the unionists it is more similar to an ethnic difference and the struggle is between the Irish Nationalists and United Kingdom Unionists.
I can't see how this very sad event does anything to forward the cause of the Irish Republican movement and, if anything it plays into the hands of those who wish to see the continuation of a divided Ireland.
I ask myself just how much of this is a reaction to provocation and I would love to hear an impartial opinion of someone from the region, however I suspect impartial is difficult to find.
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Religion has very little to do with it. It just gives a convenient label because on one side you have people who tend to be from Catholic families and on the other side Protestants who were not entirely but largely of non Irish origins.
In a certain sense the tag of Catholicism represents the original Irish and is therefore associated with Irish nationalism whist the tag of Protestantism represents the migrants of the 1600s and English domination. Perhaps, many years ago, there was a strong element of religious reformation and counter reformation but today not that many people would even define themselves as religious.
Whilst ethnically there is little or no difference between the nationalists and the unionists it is more similar to an ethnic difference and the struggle is between the Irish Nationalists and United Kingdom Unionists.
I can't see how this very sad event does anything to forward the cause of the Irish Republican movement and, if anything it plays into the hands of those who wish to see the continuation of a divided Ireland.
I ask myself just how much of this is a reaction to provocation and I would love to hear an impartial opinion of someone from the region, however I suspect impartial is difficult to find. The "Plantation" was a very direct attempt to influence the cultural and religious structure of Ireland. The 1600 arrival in Derry had significant impacts on the locals.
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