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Good for you Oliver..let us know how the conversion goes with pictures if possible
" I LOVE THE SOUND OF THROTTLE BODIES IN THE MORNING " (ROBERT DUVAL IN "APOCOLYPSE NOW " )
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This short article in the Devon Centre's newsletter just about says it all:
Is eclectic propulsion the new diesel?
Back in last year’s April edition I discussed the potential for future electric powered Morgans. As we know, since then the electric three-wheeler has fallen by the wayside, allegedly due to sourcing suitable batteries. But is electric power the answer and what exactly is the question?
It was not long ago that politicians were telling us that diesel was better for the environment than petrol—well Volkswagen spoiled that for all, didn’t they? Right now the knee-jerk reaction of politicians seems to be only to tackle the issue of pollution at the point of use and have ignored the inherent environmental problems of cars powered by lithium-ion batteries.
Setting aside the production of the electrify, the extraction of lithium in China (right now the world’s biggest producer) has caused major environmental damage to rivers. In Bolivia the need for water required to extract lithium from salt flats has had a major impact on farmers in that country’s driest areas.
And then, of course, there’s cobalt and magnesium also needed for our ever increasing hunger for batteries for our gadgets and phones—best not to look at the environmental costs of disposal or the shift of power from the middle east to China — as I’m all too fond of saying “we’re all doomed!”
I guess we need to enjoy ourselves while we can.
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This short article in the Devon Centre's newsletter just about says it all:
Is eclectic propulsion the new diesel?
Back in last year’s April edition I discussed the potential for future electric powered Morgans. As we know, since then the electric three-wheeler has fallen by the wayside, allegedly due to sourcing suitable batteries. But is electric power the answer and what exactly is the question?
It was not long ago that politicians were telling us that diesel was better for the environment than petrol—well Volkswagen spoiled that for all, didn’t they? Right now the knee-jerk reaction of politicians seems to be only to tackle the issue of pollution at the point of use and have ignored the inherent environmental problems of cars powered by lithium-ion batteries.
Setting aside the production of the electrify, the extraction of lithium in China (right now the world’s biggest producer) has caused major environmental damage to rivers. In Bolivia the need for water required to extract lithium from salt flats has had a major impact on farmers in that country’s driest areas.
And then, of course, there’s cobalt and magnesium also needed for our ever increasing hunger for batteries for our gadgets and phones—best not to look at the environmental costs of disposal or the shift of power from the middle east to China — as I’m all too fond of saying “we’re all doomed!”
I guess we need to enjoy ourselves while we can.
I am certain that "electric is the new diesel" . Hydrogen is the answer, easy to make, using electricity, easier to store than electricity and keeps cars light: no heavy battery packs. Fuel cells are made of relatively non polluting materials, at least compared to batteries, and the only product of "combustion" is water. Best of all, it as easy to convert big, naturally aspirated V8s to run on Hydrogen as it is to run on LPG... so we can all live happily ever after!!
Peter,
66, 2016 Porsche Boxster S
No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...
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What a great way forward for your County, do let us all know how this all comes together for you in the real world.
At the garage where I get the Morgan MOT'd the engineer there has recently fitted a DAF truck diesel engine to his SWB Landie it's 5.9Ltr and 1,000hp he told me..
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Right now the knee-jerk reaction of politicians seems to be only to tackle the issue of pollution at the point of use and have ignored the inherent environmental problems of cars powered by lithium-ion batteries.
That's because pollution at the point of use is what's directly causing so many health problems. The environmental problems and pollution caused by extraction of Lithium, Cobalt and suchlike are not inherent in the nature of the minerals, they are a result of poor environmental control laws and companies that are driven by profit over concern for the damage they are doing. Criticise the environmental damage by all means, but let's not pretend that oil exploration, drilling, extraction, transport, refining and distribution are in any way clean and environmentally sound activities. Plus of course the ultimate kicker - refining petrol/gasoline uses up enormous amounts of electrical power anyway, so it's not like we're avoiding electrical generation by having ICE cars.
Tim H.
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Of course oil does not only feed transport. I hope some one can replace the plastics etc. The over use of plastics in packaging obscures all the other uses in, for instance electrical fittings etc.
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The bottom line is the unsustainable population.
Too many jetting round the world and talking sh*te on mobile phones......
DaveW
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Oil feeds lots of things particularly in the oil producing countries....low or no tax for the population, free healthcare etc. Just what will happen when the demand for oil dries up? I hope that they are planning ahead otherwise there may be trouble brewing 😳
John
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EV is certainly getting to the tempting level... Kia Niro E seems the darling of the motoring press right now with >200 mile range. But I don't see motorway consumption numbers for these EVs which is suspicious (worst case scenario for EVs)...
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I am contemplating a 5KW set of solar panels with battery and charging point in advance of getting an EV and then when my wifes car needs replacing to shift her over to driving fully on our own generated power, which should work with daily mileage of circa 30-40 miles. The payback on the panels is obviously much shorter if you are generating electricity to replace petrol rather than just supplying your own electricity needs.
My logic in doing the panels, battery and charging point first is that at some point someone in government will realise how much revenue they stand to lose from fuel duty and will figure out a mechanism for taxing this and I would like to install a system before this happens.
Has anyone on TM been through a similar process ?
I went through a similar process 12 months ago, I had a 3.3kw array installed with a 2kw storage battery. I bought a 40kw Nissan Leaf and haven’t paid a penny for motoring ever since. The solar has halved my electricity bills (even using the car for 7000miles in the last year) I replaced a clk320 Merc which used to cost me at least £40 a month in petrol plus £285 road tax and fairly large maintenance and repair bills. Yes the range on the leaf is a little bit limiting 160 miles approx per charge but as the charge is free we’ve managed with no problem and only Four or five public charges, only one of which cost me anything (£5). My wife’s car is due for change in September and Until recently had a Hyundai Kona on order, unfortunately they were messing me about by putting the delivery date back and increasing the price without advsiing me, so I’ve cancelled that and ordered instead a Jaguar I pace which has a 300 mile range and can be delivered in early October. I think with both cars being electric I shall save another similar amount on petrol and a little less on maintenance and repair bills. Overall I think I will cover the investment in about 6/7 years or possibly less. I believe electric vehicles will become the “norm” in four or five years, particularly as fossil fuels cost more and more.
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