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Right or wrong on the Vettel decision, it ruined the end of a good race. We could have watched another 10 laps of Hamilton harrying Vettel, as it turned out all Hamilton had to do was stay within a few seconds. As soon as the penalty was announced I switched off and read a book.

Formula One.....

Despite being a petrol head I have totally lost interest in both F1 and Moto GP. To many big egos, bad manners, lack of sportsmanship, and terrible presenters who can't shut up for more than half a nanosecond. I will watch it if I happen to find a race on when channel flicking, and if there is nothing else on, but it is years since I have intentionally programed to watch a race.

Over the years I have met a few past champions and without exception found them to be real gentlemen. I am not sure that the same will be said about the current lot in the future. I think part of the problem is the huge amount of money involved in the "sport" today. I put "sport" because in reality it is business and all about sponsership, advertising, and TV rights.

I would rather watch classic car or bike racing.

I'm no Vettel fan but he does bring an edge of unpredictability to the races which F1 needs, I've watched the incident back a few times in slow-mo and I'm afraid I feel Vettel is correct, he had an off, kept reasonable control & re-joined, it's quite a quick corner and I doubt many other drivers would have held it, he did well to not end up backwards into the wall, which would almost for sure taken out Hamilton too, then debris everywhere and multiple laps under safety car.
Also evident in slow-mo is that Vettel never turns towards Hamilton to close off the gap, you can see tiny left inputs as he tries to balance his line & turn away from the wall

I have followed F1 since the 1960s and I have to say the way things are going this year I am close to switching off. One team/car dominates to such an extent that we know what the outcome will be.
On the Vettel/Hamilton event I am with CooperMan. I think Vettel did well to not end up in the wall, grass does not give you much in deceleration.
Disappointing that a F1 race is decided by such a decision

The more tinsel they add the less I want to watch. Time for a strip back to basics and turn up the heat. If you use the series link from Sky you end up with about 10 programs being logged. Almost too much access being used to justify the budget perhaps ?

I think you are being too harsh on the current crop - Lewis Hamilton’ and Mercedes’ gesture towards the young boy with terminal cancer is a case in point. The effect that had on research funding was also significant.

Well done both!!!

Well, I think you all know me well enough to expect me to totally disagree. I can't judge whether Seb held Lewis back or whether he was just trying to keep out of the wall but IMHO it was just another racing incident.
What I do know is that 5 second penalty was completely out of order. At that point, what had been slightly less boring than usual, the race was over.
If any penalty needed to be applied then a 3 place grid penalty for the next race would have been sufficient. The imposition of this 5 second penalty was IMHO the equivalent of a football ref awarding a goal instead of a free kick. There was no penalty applied ( because it was qualifying ) when Magnusson hit the wall of champions and sent Max into the second half of the grid thus spoiling his race. I feel that there is far too much interference into todays racing possibly caused by big money and F1 isn't the only sport.
Having said all that, perhaps it's time for Seb to leave whilst he is still alive and has a life to enjoy. He has certainly lost the spark he had whilst at Red Bull. I think driving for my beloved Ferrari team does that to their drivers perhaps because they seem unable to currently produce a car of the right calibre. Look at what happened with Fernando and to an extent Kimi and others. Lets just hope that the team can put it behind them and produce a good result in France.
If you will allow, a slight drift but it has struck me for a while now but in the current era, what is the point of all the other teams? They haven't a hope in hell of challenging for a race win. They seem to be there just to make up the numbers.

The penalty was ridiculous. When you watch what happened in real speed (not in slow motion) I think it is obvious Vettel was trying to keep the car pointed in the right direction.

And you can also argue that Hamilton, faced with a "barely in control" car right in front of him should have lifted, thus avoiding a potentially dangerous situation. But of course he gunned for the opening (as he should, they're racing drivers, not glorified car chauffeurs)

F1 … you need to watch it

To me it was a “racing incident” unless telemetry showed Vettel to be at fault re accelerator or steering.
They are the only reasons I can think of to warrant the penalty.
Vettel was on grass and was lucky not to hit a wall.
The track at that point had no room to escape with a run-off and rejoining point.
Vettel's error under pressure occurred at the worst possible track position.
If he had hit a wall and taken Hamilton out then what penalty, if any?
I didn’t like the timing of the 5s penalty notification as it ensured Hamilton would leapfrog Vettel at the end.
The rules and application are the real problem in this incident.
In my view, unless telemetry gave clear evidence, then Vettel should have been told to give up a place. There was time to review telemetry and if Vettel gained advantage with telemetry not showing deliberate influence then the wrong decision occurred? Do the rules allow for different penalties? I think the giving up of a place is available unless the dangerous rejoining takes precedence.