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Good Morning Mark
Thank you for your response to my latest post but as I understand it (please forgive me if I am wrong), your answers to the questions from OZ 4/4 were related purely to the original cracking problems that first appeared in 2014.
I was one of the people that was offered and had fitted (free of charge) the bolted-in chassis brace and I am very grateful for that.
As you are no doubt aware there are a couple of other possibly dangerous problems that have only come to light recently and are featured in other posts. (I know this is a post drift but I think it is relevant).
These are:-
a) Cracks close to the lower front wishbone mounting point (and in some cases the lug is breaking away from the chassis). These were discovered in June this year and my car was one of the 5 that were originally found to have this problem. Mark Baldwin reacted very well and our cars were repaired with new modified lugs welded on at the factory.
The factory must have thought that the cracks could be dangerous because Mark requested that on no account should we drive them until they were repaired.
b) There have been 2 cases recently of the old original style brake pedal (with the M3W cutouts) having a weld failure where the master cylinder actuating lever is attached to the spindle.
If this occurs, it results in a total inability to apply the brakes. I would consider this to be fairly dangerous.
In respect to the points (a and b) mentioned above, what would your response be to the original questions put to you by OZ 4/4?
I am sorry if your time is taken up answering these posts but it would not be needed if these problems had not come to light.
Even given these problems I get a great deal of pleasure from driving my M3W. KBMOG The intention of my post was to cover ALL chassis cracking issues be it frame, peddle box or the more recent wishbone so I hope you don’t feel left out and understand you have further questions. Clearly there is still much to consider here and I note the last sentence of the Mark Evans response to Question 3, as follows:- “ Additionally a formal network bulletin was issued instructing dealers to check cars while in for the annual service”. This is a concern for both customer and factory if you followed the posting of a respected TM’er on September 22nd, who stated, “In view of the age of this car, have a close check of the chassis for cracks, as detailed in this forum. It appears that this information hasn't got through to the dealers yet as they are selling cars with cracked chassis, one at least that I know of”If the dealers don’t know the issues then the customer has no chance unless of course the suggestion is the dealers do know and don’t care. Either way it’s not good. I am informed privately, and I trust reliably, “there has been fresh information given on the subject” implying the recent responses represent new data but I suspect there is a lot more to come of this. On with project “Wirewheel”......
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I can't help but contrast the content of this thread with a letter I received today from Mercedes Benz UK.
My daily drive is now subject to a formal safety recall, "monitored by DVSA (Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency) in line with the Code of Practice on Safety Defects in the UK".
The recall has been established as the bonding of a small piece of trim under the rear window may be faulty which could result in this section of trim being detached when driving the car.
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I can't help but contrast the content of this thread with a letter I received today from Mercedes Benz UK.
My daily drive is now subject to a formal safety recall, "monitored by DVSA (Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency) in line with the Code of Practice on Safety Defects in the UK".
The recall has been established as the bonding of a small piece of trim under the rear window may be faulty which could result in this section of trim being detached when driving the car.
MJF, you raise a very interesting point. A recall for a defective piece of trim under the rear window would indicate the more weighty issues surrounding chassis/wishbone/peddle box would attract similar attention as a minimum. Vehicle recalls can be voluntary, made by the manufacturer but are usually a result of customer notification of an issue to the authorities. The DVSA will not know unless they are informed. The following link is instructive particularly in relation to Re calls and “Non-Coded Actions” https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-recalls-and-faults/report-a-serious-safety-defectI note your previous post on the subject and thank you for your direction.
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Good Evening (Morning) OZ 4/4 I tend not to post much within the forum as one post leads to another, questions etc.  and i end up sat here all day and night. But i am watching and follow with interest. Please see my post from August 2015 this will assist in the answers below. Re: Chassis upgrade kit for pre 2014 M3W #293908 - 04/08/15 06:32 PM1) What has been done to ensure this doesn’t happen again in new vehicles? The 2014 model refined and addressed some of the concerns / changes needed - chassis - steering - bevel box noise - compensator system all updated on the 2014 model (as per my previous post no failures recorded on vehicles built after January 2014) 2) The guarantee Morgan will provide on the repair? (Upgrade sorry) MMC have not refused to assist any owner with either replacement chassis or the brace kit (we are still receiving claims for the brace kits now 4 years after it's release and 7 years after the cars were manufactured)3) How many pre January 2014 await checking and or repair? This is more difficult to answer, obviously we sent letters via the DVLA database, but we didn't necessarily have all customer addresses for overseas owners, in that instant each dealer was informed of each vehicle (by chassis number) they had sold that required checking. Additionally a formal network bulletin was issued instructing dealers to check cars while in for the annual service. 4) Have ALL owners been notified? See Above5) Cost to the owner and time frame to “upgrade” afflicted vehicles? No cost of parts or labour for chassis change or brace kit ,although many took advantage while the engine was out to have centa drive, or other upgrades fitted, so may have resulted in a cost.6) Compensation to owners for the loss of use or “quiet enjoyment” of their vehicle? You really aren't expecting me to answer this question and open a whole another debate?  Thank you Mark Would be interesting to know what was done about bevel box noise in 2014??
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Lance and KBMOG
Have you had any response to your questions....?
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No response yet and I am not holding my breath
Why am I not surprised?
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No response yet and I am not holding my breath
Why am I not surprised? Well it's coming up to a month now...
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Good Morning Mark
Thank you for your response to my latest post but as I understand it (please forgive me if I am wrong), your answers to the questions from OZ 4/4 were related purely to the original cracking problems that first appeared in 2014.
I was one of the people that was offered and had fitted (free of charge) the bolted-in chassis brace and I am very grateful for that.
As you are no doubt aware there are a couple of other possibly dangerous problems that have only come to light recently and are featured in other posts. (I know this is a post drift but I think it is relevant).
These are:-
a) Cracks close to the lower front wishbone mounting point (and in some cases the lug is breaking away from the chassis). These were discovered in June this year and my car was one of the 5 that were originally found to have this problem. Mark Baldwin reacted very well and our cars were repaired with new modified lugs welded on at the factory.
The factory must have thought that the cracks could be dangerous because Mark requested that on no account should we drive them until they were repaired.
b) There have been 2 cases recently of the old original style brake pedal (with the M3W cutouts) having a weld failure where the master cylinder actuating lever is attached to the spindle.
If this occurs, it results in a total inability to apply the brakes. I would consider this to be fairly dangerous.
In respect to the points (a and b) mentioned above, what would your response be to the original questions put to you by OZ 4/4?
I am sorry if your time is taken up answering these posts but it would not be needed if these problems had not come to light.
Even given these problems I get a great deal of pleasure from driving my M3W. KBMOG, did you ever get a response.....?
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Well now you’ve got a response KBMOG. May have taken time but truth and persistence finally collide.... Long live TM Good Morning Mark
Thank you for your response to my latest post but as I understand it (please forgive me if I am wrong), your answers to the questions from OZ 4/4 were related purely to the original cracking problems that first appeared in 2014.
I was one of the people that was offered and had fitted (free of charge) the bolted-in chassis brace and I am very grateful for that.
[color:#FF0000]As you are no doubt aware there are a couple of other possibly dangerous problems that have only come to light recently and are featured in other posts. (I know this is a post drift but I think it is relevant).
These are:-
a) Cracks close to the lower front wishbone mounting point (and in some cases the lug is breaking away from the chassis). These were discovered in June this year and my car was one of the 5 that were originally found to have this problem. Mark Baldwin reacted very well and our cars were repaired with new modified lugs welded on at the factory.
The factory must have thought that the cracks could be dangerous because Mark requested that on no account should we drive them until they were repaired.
b) There have been 2 cases recently of the old original style brake pedal (with the M3W cutouts) having a weld failure where the master cylinder actuating lever is attached to the spindle.
If this occurs, it results in a total inability to apply the brakes. I would consider this to be fairly dangerous.
In respect to the points (a and b) mentioned above, what would your response be to the original questions put to you by OZ 4/4?
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I am sorry if your time is taken up answering these posts but it would not be needed if these problems had not come to light.
Even given these problems I get a great deal of pleasure from driving my M3W. KBMOG, did you ever get a response.....?
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STOP FEEDING THE TROLL(s)
They seem to have climbed over the wall from the classic Morgan forum and become armchair experts. It’s like someone posting on a Fireblade forum because they own a Honda Jazz. Any more non owning, self appointed experts want to chime in on this OLD resurrected thread (2014)? There must be a motive to this odd window licking behaviour?
Wait.. I’m a non owner!
Meh...
Lucky you Grockle - you won't be involved in the recall... 
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