Talk Morgan Forums Community Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan) Electric vehicles the answer ?

I can see the need for EV in cities and densely populated areas to improve air quality as these are the locations that are where it would be effective and measurable. The current case of prosecuting the government after a girl died of asthma with the air pollution near her home is an interesting sideshow related to his.
I also think the long term issues of battery life and disposal are being sidelined, as was diesel particulate a few years ago.
I still think hydrogen would potentially be a good move as it could utilise current distribution methods. Cracking water to produce it seems the economic barrier at the moment but what is being done under the radar?
In my case going EV is not financially viable due to initial cost, payback time on fuel use, depreciation and battery life/disposal.
I had a look at a Kia Nero........
£33k purchase plus about £600 estimate for charging equipment at home (negotiable.). Finance? Purchase a risk. PCP? Is that a track I want to go down?
EV would be ok for our current driving usage but low-ish mileage so mpg payback is extended. What happens value wise in 5 years? The cashflow calculations don’t add up at the moment.

An interesting aside. Yesterday our U3A Engineering and Innovation Group visited the Wolfson School of Engineering at Loughborough University (Ranked 4th in Guardian League Table). Apparently, they did some work on Euro 6 technology to refine the chemistry of AdBlue and how it is used in the vehicle which substantially reduced emissions of diesel vehicles and effectively solved most of the problems that have created the recent headlines. To date, no manufacturers have taken this up. It doesn't require any changes to the AdBlue being used. We were told that most of the manufacturers introduced their AdBlue engines in a bit of a hurry and didn't do all the development that could have been done.

John, I have a SolaX Hybrid inverter and 2 Pylon battery system which matches with a 3.9-4Kw system available for sale if interested?

The SolaX hybrid inverter can be set up to power the house from the batteries during power failure as well. Not all battery inverters have the required extras built in.

Mmmm not sure about this?

I was told that replacing 28% of the petrol and diesel engine cars right now and replacing them with EV - would overload the National Grid at its max capacity.....

Future Energy Scenarios July 2018 - page 72 shows forecasts for vehicles - but worth skimming the whole document.

Yes, that is the problem here in Jersey, at 9*5 miles EVs would be perfect, conversely our fuel costs are so trivial that there would be no possibility of any sensible payback. We also have (quite correctly) no subsidies for solar or EVs so there are no options available there either. I fully accept that cost/benefit is certainly not the only argument.
A plus point for EVs is that our electricity is 95% low carbon - 2/3rds Nuke 1/3rd hydro

By whom, though? Had they factored in the associated reduction of petrol refining that would go along with reducing petrol/diesel vehicles by 28%?

Usually I find the anti-EV arguments universally ignore the environmental costs of exploration, prospecting, drilling, extraction, transport, and refinement of gasoline. They tend to focus solely on the car, whilst comparing it with the full-life cycle of the EV.

We have a nominal 4kw/h PV array.
2 Weeks ago we had a Sofar Energy Store Inverter fitted with a single Pythontech 3Kw battery fitted.
On sunny days we use no purchased power from dawn to dusk, this week we spent precisely £3.71 on electricity.

The inverter can take up to 4 x 3kw batteries. I'm considering adding a second.

The answer is do what ever fits the bill for you

do we have the same full life-cycle costs for EVs?

it strikes me that we need to use mileage pricing/tax to let the market sort this out.
pointless scrapping an old car that only does 5k miles pa for a spanking new EV that's consumed water, power and rare minerals in its production.

i also think we need to legislate for cars to be on the road for 20 years, and not being scrapped before becoming 10 years old because some module has failed and it's uneconomic to repair. Manufacturers and consumers will need to adjust, but if we're serious about the planet then we can't be building vehicles that only last 150k miles or 7 years. The tech needs to be sustainable or easily repairable.

Apart from the fact most Morgan mileage is not strictly necessary, our cars are actually quite green!