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Thanks for posting that FW. Most illuminating.
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Visited a pal who is into restoring his cars BIG time... I have given him a hand on many occasions to create variations from blue printed classics through to custom cars... He has a US Ford F100, a complete strip down to the the last nut and bolt, media blasted and we converted the dash from LH to RH drive, the intention was to fit a Lexus V8 which then changed to a LS2. when I visited him today... another change he is going all electric..That will be interesting (-: Apparently the web is hotting up with all sorts of electric conversions.. https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmmk53D7ajEInteresting...?
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Shell say that within 5 years there will be H2 pumps at all their filling stations. They will make the Hydrogen at the flying station using water and electricity. Whilst most H2 cars will use a fuel cell and therefore be electric hybrids it is perfectly possible to run a V8 petrol engine on Hydrogen, in exactly the same way as LPG. SO... convert the +8? Why not?
Peter
Why not? Well for a start, liquid hydrogen has one quarter of the energy of petrol so you will either need a tank 4 times as big or call at the filling station 4 times as often. Secondly, at room emperateure liquid hydrogen turns into gas very rapidly. So even th slightest leak will produce a plume of gas unlike petrol. Thirdly hydrogen as a much lower ignition energy so a tiny spark that wont set petrol alight will cause hydrogen to explode. Fourth, you may well be able to use the same sort of engine as for petrol but you wont be able to use the same engine - converting the plus 8 will require new engine, new tank, new pipes, new electronic controls. And even then you will be driving along on top of a bomb.
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I am assuming that I will convert my Cobra to run on hydrogen at the point in time that someone decides we can't use petrol any more, rather than having it converted to electric drive as this would completely lose the point of the car.
Howard is correct that it will require a larger fuel tank, but there are now plenty of composite manufacturers producing high pressure tanks suitable for use with hydrogen and if I lose the space taken up by the spare wheel and the hood I can achieve 80% of the current range. These tanks are certified to be massively crash resistant and there is a legal requirement for a lot of valves in the system to minimise the level of leakage possible in the event of an accident.
I have engineered and been assembling OEM CNG commercial vehicles for some years now and never had any leak issues so this does not need to be an issue, but it would require new pipes.
There are companies already converting engines to run on Hydrogen which require changes to the engine management system, but it is entirely possible to convert an IC engine to run on hydrogen.
I think there will actually be quite a good business opportunity to convert high value classics in the future to run on hydrogen rather than go the electric drive route.
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Guys i have just jumped into this thread now, i haven't read the previous posts, but seems its based on Electric i require some help and input.
So for about 3 years now i have been assessing where an Electric vehicle would fit into the Business or Family, initially having a rep based in the
south that covers the UK monthly, hitting about 2 clients per day, (different Towns) i thought Tesla, but lots of time would be wasted in recharge, then
i would of had the issue of him requiring Charge at home, the second thought was to have the Tesla for myself, but i simply don't do the miles
to warrant the cost/mileage.
The third thought was to purchase something like a Leaf , with the youngest one approaching 17 in January 2020 it would possible be a good shopping
trolley and a zip around for all in the house to use.
However last week we took over a failing Business in Newcastle that has mass deliveries every day in the City and surrounding area, so i have now
turned to looking at a small Van !
Anyone got some positive or negatives for such a gamble @ £15-20k Gamble.
Van will cover @ 300 miles per week
can be charged at the Newcastle Unit over night or possibly if used by a member of staff at their abode, has anyone purchased a vehicle to do a job
such as this.
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.+8 Now gone for a 1800 4/4. Duratec in bright yellow.
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Guys i have just jumped into this thread now, i haven't read the previous posts, but seems its based on Electric i require some help and input.
So for about 3 years now i have been assessing where an Electric vehicle would fit into the Business or Family, initially having a rep based in the
south that covers the UK monthly, hitting about 2 clients per day, (different Towns) i thought Tesla, but lots of time would be wasted in recharge, then
i would of had the issue of him requiring Charge at home, the second thought was to have the Tesla for myself, but i simply don't do the miles
to warrant the cost/mileage.
The third thought was to purchase something like a Leaf , with the youngest one approaching 17 in January 2020 it would possible be a good shopping
trolley and a zip around for all in the house to use.
However last week we took over a failing Business in Newcastle that has mass deliveries every day in the City and surrounding area, so i have now
turned to looking at a small Van !
Anyone got some positive or negatives for such a gamble @ £15-20k Gamble.
Van will cover @ 300 miles per week
can be charged at the Newcastle Unit over night or possibly if used by a member of staff at their abode, has anyone purchased a vehicle to do a job
such as this. Dean have a word with asbo I think he has done some work on this already.
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Secondly, at room emperateure liquid hydrogen turns into gas very rapidly. So even th slightest leak will produce a plume of gas unlike petrol.
Wouldn't that make is safer? Assuming a hydrogen car was in an accident and the tank got ruptured unless there is a flame wouldn't the hydrogen turn into a gas and mix back into the air which to me seems a lot safer than petrol all over the ground which is what currently happens? At least it would be easier to clean up.
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Guys i have just jumped into this thread now, i haven't read the previous posts, but seems its based on Electric i require some help and input.
So for about 3 years now i have been assessing where an Electric vehicle would fit into the Business or Family, initially having a rep based in the
south that covers the UK monthly, hitting about 2 clients per day, (different Towns) i thought Tesla, but lots of time would be wasted in recharge, then
i would of had the issue of him requiring Charge at home, the second thought was to have the Tesla for myself, but i simply don't do the miles
to warrant the cost/mileage.
The third thought was to purchase something like a Leaf , with the youngest one approaching 17 in January 2020 it would possible be a good shopping
trolley and a zip around for all in the house to use.
However last week we took over a failing Business in Newcastle that has mass deliveries every day in the City and surrounding area, so i have now
turned to looking at a small Van !
Anyone got some positive or negatives for such a gamble @ £15-20k Gamble.
Van will cover @ 300 miles per week
can be charged at the Newcastle Unit over night or possibly if used by a member of staff at their abode, has anyone purchased a vehicle to do a job
such as this. Take a look at the Nissan e-NV200
Mark - No Longer driving Archie the Old English Sheep Mog........... 2010 Roadster 3.0 V6 (S3) 
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I was chatting to the man who runs a local garage and MOT centre. He's mot'd my mog for many years.
His garage service multiple makes. He has used the same parts wholesaler forever. Until last year when that supplier changed to electric delivery vehicles.
Based in the Reading area the theory was that the vans would charge up again whilst the drivers had lunch. In practice (reality) the charging points are so often filled or not working that the vans were stranded and so delayed that my local garage was not getting the parts delivered that day at all. It was so bad, for so long that he's had to change suppliers.
Nick
Last edited by nick w; 04/08/19 01:23 PM. Reason: Grammar
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