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VRT registration tax here in Ireland rated the Plus4 at 164 and charged some €18000 euro for the privilege of importing it so think yourself fortunate!!!!!
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For the moment in Italy we pay annual tax based on power, not on the emmisions. I hope the Italian politicians don't get wind of this system. As for new cars they have just introduces an "Ecotax based on CO2 emissions. This is paid only on the first matriculation. Emissioni di CO2 (ciclo NEDC) Ecotassa all'acquisto
161-175 g/km 1.100 euro
176-200 g/km 1.600 euro
201-250 g/km 2.000 euro
oltre 250 g/km 2.500 euro I have used the code tag to get the table to line up. 
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I went through exactly the same thing a few weeks ago.
I posted a message about it too.
It doubled my import co2 tax into Switzerland.
Talked to the authorities about it who were sympathetic but were unable to do anything.
I had to just suck it up.
G
Morgan +4 110 years edition
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Hi you are so lucky that the french have registered your car for 10000 euro my brand new car as well as others is sitting at the Morgan garage in the uk unable to get it registered.
All new plus 4 in the uk remain of the road because of co2 levels
Ian
Ian
Morgan Plus 4. 110 Anniversary
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Hi you are so lucky that the french have registered your car for 10000 euro my brand new car as well as others is sitting at the Morgan garage in the uk unable to get it registered.
All new plus 4 in the uk remain of the road because of co2 levels
Ian What's the latest news Ian? Did you mention it also applies to Roadsters as well?
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In my opinion, there is an error in the calculation (made by MMC): The amount of CO2/100 km comes from the burned fuel per 100 km. In the current specification a combined fuel consumption according to the NEDC of 7.1l/100km is given. 7.1 l petrol results in 169 g CO2. Where should the "missing" amount of CO2 come from? From the driver? 
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In my opinion, there is an error in the calculation (made by MMC): The amount of CO2/100 km comes from the burned fuel per 100 km. In the current specification a combined fuel consumption according to the NEDC of 7.1l/100km is given. 7.1 l petrol results in 169 g CO2. Where should the "missing" amount of CO2 come from? From the driver? You’re spot on, it’s most odd Do you think they can no longer use the combined figures?
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The CO2-emissions according to NEDC are calculated on the basis of combined fuel consumption.
My Plus 4 (year of construction 2018) with the same engine (2.0l Ford GDI) has - accordning to the official documents - a combined fuel consumption according to NEDC of 7.1 l/100 km and combined CO2 emissions - also according to NEDC - of 164 grams (not exactly correct, but closer to 169 grams than 205 grams).
Michael
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I think the explanation is this:
The NEDC was replaced by the test procedure according to WLTP (Worldwide harmonised Light-duty vehicles). This also applies to vehicles in category M (passenger cars).
The new test procedure has been in force since 1.9.2018.
I do not know how this will affect vehicles approved before this date.
A serious discussion with the dealer seems appropriate to me (delivered vehicle does not correspond to the data, which were basis for the order).
Michael
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Can someone clarify please...
Are all NEW Morgan Plus 4's not able to be now registered because of this CO2 emissions issue?
I know that is why they stopped the sales of the 4/4 in the UK.
Mmmm, if this is the case, I must ask if my flying colleagues can now take-off with one engine shut-down...
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