Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Plus Four, Supersport & Plus Six (CX & CXV Generation Vehicles) Any thoughts?

I'm absolutely sure the Plus Six will bite it you don't respect it, but it may be more manageable than the Plus 8 as the torque "curve" is flat, delivering 500Nm from 1500 rpm to 4500rpm. So most normal driving the torque will remain the same, even though power increases. I think this means that it will be more predictable? But I'll bet that the back end will step out, if you push it.

I asked Steve Morris why there is no LDS. He said that it is safer and more predictable without one. Not sure I understand how that can be, he also said the car is simply too light for BMWs traction control, as used on the 700kg heavier M140i to work without massive re-programming = enormous cost. He also said it is more fun without traction control.

Sounds like a good reason.

With the LSD I could see the car putting all the power down and snapping quite sideways if you are at all out of line. Without the LSD one wheel is likely to spin the power away so you don’t get into trouble so quickly?

I like the modern auto boxes. With ZF6 in the Coupe it allows you have the GT experience if you are not up for a fight. If you have a clear safe road I love using the big metal lever in sport mode and use it manually nearly all the time. With the natural smooth Torque curve of a naturally aspirated engine the manual would be fine. With the sudden and massive torque curve of the IL6 turbo I would imagine you would chew through a few clutches if you are not careful. The power of the S2 through the manual is easier to manage than the Coupe because you have total control. If you are in a hurry (not a panic) it may as well be a four speed as this does everything. The engagement also makes it feel a lot quicker in my mind.

I think the drive to autos is as much to allow high numbers of ratios and the ability to hit emissions through best gear and low revs/high torque?

It looks like I am going to have to try o e out. I was hoping to wait for one with some audiable teeth if such a combination can exist?

Williams Morgan has the Aero Racing after market exhaust to fit, even though the standard one sounds better than I was expecting in Sport Plus mode.
It can never sound like a naturally aspirated V8, but I think it will sound as good as a turbo car can sound: it is the lack of inlet roar that I miss, the belching of a waste gate is no substitute!

I think this is very true, and most drivers would struggle with this power level and a manual box. But for me the essence of involvement in a sports car is three pedals and a stick.

I don't find two pedals in anyway enjoyable, and in fact it detracts hugely from what I want, even when you can paddle shift.

Over the years I've had a few auto rentals and in every case, couldn't wait to get rid. I've never had my own auto and never will, while ever manual boxes are around. Simple as that really.

I think I'm with you Dave.
Massive power doesn't do it for me. I don't do track days and don't seem to find roads on which I could use outrageous performance.
I get my fun choosing gears in advance, trying to match revs on changes and enjoying the narrow, flingable side of the Morgan.
Nick

I love my tin top auto for eating up motorway miles and would never go back to
a manual as a daily driver but when I drive my Mog, I want something different and shifting gears is all part of the experience

However having said all that if I had the funds and garage space to keep my 4 seater, I’d order a PlusSix tomorrow

And it would be all black apart from the chrome front grille
Black body, black hood, black leather, black wheels

Extras would be

Heated seats - for the wife of course (I’m getting soft)
Sports exhaust (couldn’t bear the quiet)
Luggage rack

And I’d get a three zip tonneau cover made by Allon White

That IS exactly my reply Stewart.

I would just add - having driven a BMW 140M on the track (the instructors make you use the paddles) the whole experience of changing using paddles IS fantastic, I would therefore use a PlusSix on the road in "paddle mode" as the experience is better than a manual box (when I felt the need)?

Manual v auto - an argument that will run forever!