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But for the Aero Plus 8 owners, the Plus Six offers little real benefit.
javascript:quickReply(612746,1,0) Hi Peter, Not being brutal but honest here (same applies to my Roadster - which is a further step behind your Aero Plus 8) BUT driven in anger on a challenging road you would not see which way the PlusSix went! The handling and ride and far more compliant and it will of course be better on fuel and the PlusSix has more room and will therefore be less tiring to drive over distances. As I say - this is progress (and yes I must agree with you...the V8 rumble will NEVER be beaten) but on every other front the PlusSix is much superior... Of course this is only my opinion  Mark, the standard Plus 8 suspension isn't perfect, with a little help from SSL and Peter Ballard it is significantly improved. But you are right, someone like Henry Williams in a Plus Six would blast himself in the Plus 8 into the weeds. BUT...most of us are not in Henry's league. For the average driver, and I class myself as a bit above average in anticipation and reaction time but well below average in bravery, the Plus 8 is preferable. Why? The Plus Six, like all modern Turbo engines, delivers maximum torque low low down the rev range. The Plus 8 needs to be well wound up to deliver maxim toque. In our 2 AMGs the various traction/stability devices make it reasonably difficult to get the things to bite. I've tried a C43 on the Mercedes World circuit and even with the traction control "off" the 4 WD makes it impossible to spin. It just under steers..... The Plus 8 has a LSD, which is good and bad, but in the real world, coupled with a fairly lazy auto box and torque that rises steadily, makes it controllable. My experience with the engine used in the Plus Six, in a BMW M140i, with sophisticated traction control but no LSD, was that the car would bite it too much boot is applied too soon. I talked to Birds BMW Tuning Centre and they strongly advised a Quaife LSD. I'd be very interested to know what they would make of the Plus Six. So, the Plus Six is, in the right hands, going to be VERY quick. But in the wrong hands it could behave rather wilfully. I agree with all your points above Peter. I went on a BMW track day last year. The M4 I drove in 100% anger for 15 or so laps (5 with an instructor on board) and 10 on my own, told me a lot about Turbo engines! The instructor - made it very clear, keep the engine above 4k - that way the low down grunt is removed and you will not spin the thing, so once up to speed (literally!) - you revved them out and pulled another gear. In the afternoon in a BMW M140i (same engine and gearbox as the PlusSix) I personally felt much more at home - even on a track a BMW M4 is really really fast - but now using what we had learnt in the morning the six cylinder M140i was enjoyed by everyone in our group and I could ring the car's neck. In other words I was in tune with the car. I therefore think that - if a PlusSix is abused and spins on the road it will be at lower speeds - where the engine is below 3k and the turbo will deliver the low down grunt (which makes these turbo engined cars feel so fast). So the answer is: rev the nuts off a PlusSix in a lower gear....and you will stay on the tarmac (if wanting to go quick - that is!!) 
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I’m sure it will be a pretty car but the gold chassis sounds a bit naff. But if I did not have a current build slot I’d still go for one of the last remaining Plus 4 or Roadster build slots and specc the car exactly as I wanted. It would still be a 2020 Morgan and therefore one of the last. Who needs a gold chassis and a plaque?
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While Harley and so many others have cleverly exploited vulnerability relative to the "collector" market in terms of special edition this that and the other and it seems we may not have learned much despite the years such marketing processes... I think there may exist somewhere more than one claim to ownership of the last +8 Trad...(-: But IF there really is value in the LAST of anything, what about ME..? I am the last person to have joined the MSCC in the 20th century, perhaps if I had a tattoo to that effect... 
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Wow that is a hell of a dealer margin on the Aussie 4/4 and a shame that they won't be representing the cars new anymore.
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Is there any indication of when Trads will actually physically stop being made? ..... Sometime during my travels this year I intended to visit the factory....... My inclination to do this would be much reduced if I couldn't see Trads on the shop floor (no disrespect to other models... It's just what I have)..... With the factory being closed til March and Trad production stopping this year sometime I wondered what window of opportunity I might have?
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Regarding window of opportunity - Allon White have one of the last 20 trad special editions on order and their website says it'll be ready for April. With the springtime Geneva show maybe showcasing the new CX smaller engine/s models I'd guess the factory will be pretty much solely CX and 3 wheelers quite soon so I'm thinking a visit will need to be ASAP once the tours re-open. Even then it may just be too late. I'm only guessing and I'm sure someone who actually knows will be along to enlighten us.
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Regarding window of opportunity - Allon White have one of the last 20 trad special editions on order and their website says it'll be ready for April. With the springtime Geneva show maybe showcasing the new CX smaller engine/s models I'd guess the factory will be pretty much solely CX and 3 wheelers quite soon so I'm thinking a visit will need to be ASAP once the tours re-open. Even then it may just be too late. I'm only guessing and I'm sure someone who actually knows will be along to enlighten us. Perhaps with Grahams help MMC would allow a special 'closed' TM tour ?
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Regarding window of opportunity - Allon White have one of the last 20 trad special editions on order and their website says it'll be ready for April. With the springtime Geneva show maybe showcasing the new CX smaller engine/s models I'd guess the factory will be pretty much solely CX and 3 wheelers quite soon so I'm thinking a visit will need to be ASAP once the tours re-open. Even then it may just be too late. I'm only guessing and I'm sure someone who actually knows will be along to enlighten us. Perhaps with Grahams help MMC would allow a special 'closed' TM tour ? I’d be up for that 
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Me too... Timing permitting... Living in the North of Scotland it's not just a nip round the corner for me.... Personally it's the factory floor I want to see... Matters not that I can't get a cream tea or buy a Morgan tea-towel. However, logistics would need to be worked out (was originally hoping to combine it with racing at Shelsley or Prescott to double up on the travel)
K
PS.... posed the same question to MMC... Just got a generic 'thank you for your interest in joining one of our tours' reply... Part about wanting to see Trad being built whizzed right by them. :-)
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