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CooperMan #617013 13/02/20 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CooperMan
Interesting data Tim,

My i3 has an 8yr, 100,000 mile warranty on the battery to be 70% capacity & they expect the usable life to actually be 15yrs

IIRC, when I chopped in the last one at 3yrs, it was tested & showed way over 90 odd %


That's very interesting. I am quite keen on the idea of getting a used i3 in a couple of years. Are yours the Rex version? Do you mind if I ask what range does that give in real world use? And is it feasible to keep topping up the petrol tank on a long journey to keep using the generator in preserve charge mode, or is it just a one-time use?


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I have mine waiting , interesting data above , talking to a mate who works at a garage said they have a tesla come in for tyres , often , the extra power and weight is killing the tyres and we all know how easy it is to get rid of old tyres , as for end of life batteries being stored in old containers which we are all falling over our selfs to get , its cheaper to make the battery than recycle it , and if we need them why are we exporting them for recycling ? Im not convinced yet , I did see it may also ease traffic in the cityies ? how , the only way I can see less cars as only some can afford them or keep them running , so all in all for me just a big money making/economic scam

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Originally Posted by Ray
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I agree we need to clean up the planet, but theres a lot more effect and finance needed into saving the rain forests and replacing with New one's.most governments seem reluctant to follow this path.

Bad news on the ex-rain forests! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51464694
That's the point I was trying to make. The world is looking at this from the wrong end. Sort the world's lungs out and a lot of the world's problems would get easier to solve......just my way of seeing the solution.



100% agree, this is probably a bigger issue that petrol cars.

This is also an issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46455844

But cars are what seems to be the focus. So who is going to make the first convertible electric car? Morgan was supposed to by 2019 but that idea disappeared under the carpet.

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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible
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I agree we need to clean up the planet, but theres a lot more effect and finance needed into saving the rain forests and replacing with New one's.most governments seem reluctant to follow this path.

Bad news on the ex-rain forests! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51464694
That's the point I was trying to make. The world is looking at this from the wrong end. Sort the world's lungs out and a lot of the world's problems would get easier to solve......just my way of seeing the solution.



100% agree, this is probably a bigger issue that petrol cars.

This is also an issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46455844

But cars are what seems to be the focus. So who is going to make the first convertible electric car? Morgan was supposed to by 2019 but that idea disappeared under the carpet.




Yes , does anyone know what has happened to the development of the electric Morgan 4 wheeler as there was quite a lot of fuss about the yellow one ?


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Most of you are looking at this issue from the wrong angle. Sure it could end up with leccy cars being less convenient and requiring more hanging around charging than ICE cars do, but how much more inconvenient would it be if sea levels rise 5m or more and the likes of London disappear. Billions, literally billions, or people would have to migrate - or die. I'd be OK living at the 40m contour but we would need a boat to get to the shops. And how much food would there be with huge areas of farmland under water.

Anyway, you arent going to get the choice. Its leccy or walk. You just have to hope that by 2040 or whenever you switch, its a more convenient design.

P.S. Can do you a good deal on an inflatable - I have one spare right now. Good condition but you would have to buy your own electric outboard.

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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible

100% agree, this is probably a bigger issue that petrol cars.

This is also an issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46455844

But cars are what seems to be the focus.


Well, this is a thread about electric cars so that's what I'd expect the discussion to revolve around. But there are a lot of countries (sadly not the UK) who are taking great strides in not only planting trees but also coming up with innovative ways to introduce more CO2 absorbing plants into towns and cities.

Ethiopia, for example, is putting a huge amount of effort into reforesting its land. The politician's claims of having planted something like 4 billion trees are clearly wildly optimistic - but then that's nothing unusual, look at our own government. But there's no doubt they are planting hundreds of millions of trees every year and the Great Green Wall project is involving loads of African countries in a project which is going to improve the prospects not only for millions of people's lives but the entire planet as well.

I also am very keen on the architectural innovations incorporating plants into the structure of buildings, and Singapore seems to have some rather splendid examples like this:

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Making our cities greener is a huge weapon in the fight against urban pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, helping to offset the emissions from concrete production.

It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that just because we aren't doing anything in this area then nobody else is either. It would be nice to think that the UK would be among world leaders in this regard, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The UK seems to believe politicians making announcements is the same as taking action, which it clearly isn't.


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Howard, it seems we think along similar lines in terms of threats to the planet that science predicts, though 5 meters rise in sea level seems to be pushing the point a tad.. It seems we may take personal transportation in any car of our choosing for granted, and I suspect if the govt has any real desire relative to climate change prioritisation, then the impending budget may reflect that to some degree.. Which has the potential to be interesting to observe..? To date it seems we have seen statements of intent, which can be a whole lot different from alterations in legislation from politicians whose main aim is to stay in power..?

You might like to beam this link up if you might be interested in real world range testing across some models of EVs though it is mostly motorway driving, which I suppose is the norm for most folk taking on longer than basic runs to the shops, schools, etc, in terms of everyday use..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc

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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible

100% agree, this is probably a bigger issue that petrol cars.

This is also an issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46455844

But cars are what seems to be the focus.


Well, this is a thread about electric cars so that's what I'd expect the discussion to revolve around. But there are a lot of countries (sadly not the UK) who are taking great strides in not only planting trees but also coming up with innovative ways to introduce more CO2 absorbing plants into towns and cities.

Ethiopia, for example, is putting a huge amount of effort into reforesting its land. The politician's claims of having planted something like 4 billion trees are clearly wildly optimistic - but then that's nothing unusual, look at our own government. But there's no doubt they are planting hundreds of millions of trees every year and the Great Green Wall project is involving loads of African countries in a project which is going to improve the prospects not only for millions of people's lives but the entire planet as well.

I also am very keen on the architectural innovations incorporating plants into the structure of buildings, and Singapore seems to have some rather splendid examples like this:

[Linked Image]

Making our cities greener is a huge weapon in the fight against urban pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, helping to offset the emissions from concrete production.

It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that just because we aren't doing anything in this area then nobody else is either. It would be nice to think that the UK would be among world leaders in this regard, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The UK seems to believe politicians making announcements is the same as taking action, which it clearly isn't.

The trouble with the vertical forest concept is that it costs a lot of money to maintain. One of these guys recently came and pruned some trees for us.



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Originally Posted by Hamwich
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But cars are what seems to be the focus.


Well, this is a thread about electric cars so that's what I'd expect the discussion to revolve around.


I meant the focus from the politicians not the focus of this thread. Maybe I am not looking hard enough but all I see if ICE cars being banned, I don't see anything like domestic plane travel banned from 2030 and international from 2040 even though air travel is worse than our cars.

Yes making our cities greener is a great way to stop urban pollution. I really notice when I got to places with less trees around than Canberra how much worse the traffic smells. I have planted heaps of trees in my garden reducing grass areas and trying to chose plants that can survive the lack of water, but lots of other people are just putting down fake grass which I don't think helps at all.

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Originally Posted by Hamwich

That's very interesting. I am quite keen on the idea of getting a used i3 in a couple of years. Are yours the Rex version? Do you mind if I ask what range does that give in real world use? And is it feasible to keep topping up the petrol tank on a long journey to keep using the generator in preserve charge mode, or is it just a one-time use?


My i3 is the Rex version with the 94Ah battery. The range extender gives about 90 miles of use on the 2 gallon tank on top of the c135 miles of electric power. I have been known to carry an extra can of petrol in the boot when doing long trips in areas of charging point desert (we have a few of these in the north of the Peak District) but have never actually had to use it.
The range extender will only operate to maintain charge level in the battery - it cannot be used to re-charge, but it can be activated manually (and turned off again) at charge levels below 75% and if you're planning a long trip then it works best to use the Rex whilst on motorway or fast dual carriageway and switch it off when in town or frequently stopping. It works automatically and permanently when the charge level drops to 6% and behaves much like a normal car with stop/start, starting as soon as the car exceeds about 5mph.
It is, however, a very small engine and does not give enough power for long, fast uphill stretches of road - the battery depletes in this situation but will recharge later to its initial charge level. The trick is not to let the battery get too low before using the Rex if you know the route has big demands.
Having said that, most of the time I never use it - fuel consumption over the past year has been about 2 litres (in 9000 miles) BUT it is the get out of jail card when the battery is depleted and with that you're quite able to run the battery to its last few miles of range without worry of becoming stranded.

John

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