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I would not part-x. I want a traditional Morgan and appreciate it for its heritage and unique driving abilities and feel - not to everyone's taste but nectar to many Morgan aficionados. The only basis i could see myself getting a CX chassis car would be, if funds and space ever permitted, getting a Plus 6 to go alongside my Roadster. The Plus 6 has grown on me - not as an alternative to a Trad, but as a modern companion to it with a different take on Morgan's heritage.
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Im on my third Morgan and just LOVE it -especially since it got the ECU re-flash -- BUT -- I would love to go to my fourth Morgan if the funds will allow a new Plusfour. I think this car will prove to be a suitable "Evolution" as MMC say and would welcome being part of that. Also SWMBO would very much like a better suspension!!!
Test Drive will be a decision point
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The CX platform and modernisation would mean a future proofing ability. As my age trundles along at what stage would I want to reduce the hands-on requirement and move to a jump in and go Morgan? I enjoy the tinkering and routine checks but many of those would disappear. OK, the engine side would need dealer/independent garage facilities for other than basic fluid work. The electrics are likely to be more critical too, depending on how much of the BMW sensor inputs are removed for a Morgan. Yes, it is a big chunk of money but the visual appeal of the design is still there. There is no room for keeping the trad plus it would need to be included in the deal for money maths. A test drive is a must too. Besides the comfort factor how would it compare to the Plus8 as a driving sensation? Adjusting to the engine characteristics is, I think, not that big a hurdle as the power/torque spec on paper looks decent. Will I miss 3000rpm in 3rd gear? The Plus8 comes alive and fills the ability to move a bit if needed. It might be a case of upgrades to the trad instead. That was the case when I had the 4/4. Driving the Plus8 and feeling the differences was the clincher. The bottom line is that a CX is a Morgan. Forget the denial of it not being one due to the changes. The Morgan community will remain and that is a huge attraction. It led to  buying in to us having the car.
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I’m sticking with my XXVII chassis Mog for this Summer but I’m seriously considering the Plus Four as a future Mog
I’ll wait for a test drive when Oakmere have their demo car and give it some thought
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I’m sticking with my XXVII chassis Mog for this Summer but I’m seriously considering the Plus Four as a future Mog
I’ll wait for a test drive when Oakmere have their demo car and give it some thought During your visit was there any mention of a future 4 seater at all as I know that suits your family well ?
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Sospan said it... The bottom line is that the CX is a Morgan. It is and the factory should be very proud of themselves. I do t have a Morgan any longer to part ex and if I did I’m not sure I’d do it. I bought into Morgan for a classic car with that classic driving feel and apart from the looks I don’t think I’d get that with the CX platform.
If I was in the market for a two seater sport car in that price range I’d certainly have the Plus Four on my list to test drive along with Cayman/Boxster, F Type and Z4.
Jays. Ex Morgan owner. 1967 MGB Roadster.,
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Another perspective...
After 2 years with Aldermog, the Roadster I was hooked by the look and style of the car, and found a welcome home in the Morgan communities. But the "vintage charm" soon wore off. I spent quite a lot on suspension upgrades and other alterations, including applying heat/sound proof pads to most of the inside of the cockpit. But it still wasn't right, Caroline found driving it difficult due to the heavy, long throw clutch and heavy steering at slow speed.
So, we bought Tarka the Plus 8: that was in 2014 and since then I've not found anything that could tempt me to change.
BUT.. had the "New Plus Four" been available in 2012 when we bought the Roadster we would have bought one: it looks like a traditional Morgan, probably drives better than the Plus 8 based on my Plus Six experience yet underneath it is a modern car. Not everyone is as in love with the traditional Morgan experience as many are here, the number of very low milage Morgans about shows that they often don't live up to the owners dream. I predict that the Plus Four will change that dynamic and new owners will hang on to their cars. It may seem to be an heretical suggestion, but in a year or so the value of low mileage used Plus 4s may soften.
As has been said, this car is a game changer for MMC. The possible arrival of a 185 bhp Four/Four in 2022 will only speed up the evolution of Morgan.
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Looking at TM this week, the general mood is intoxicated by the successful new PlusFour. This is very positive for MMC and for many potential buyers of the PlusFour.
The PlusSix from 2019 had somehow appeared from the beginning with a "different" "modern" impression. Its whole presentation was dominated by the decisive new feature: the CX platform. There were many expectations, curiosity and there was a (real) polarization to the Trads from the very beginning. The PlusSix was from another planet. That made it much easier to say, I'm staying with the Trad or I want something completely different, new.
This year it's different with the PlusFour, which has moved closer to us, although still very expensive. But its beautiful and seductive lines make us forget for a moment that this car will also drive completely differently than a Trad. Not that the car will drive badly. But just completely different, and not just a little bit different. Is it a little more cognitive dissonance with the PlusFour and less clearing polarization like against the PlusSix? What do we desire? The same in "better" or the "other"?
I personally make the decision easy for myself. Because I think whoever rides a 4/4 like me is the farthest away from the temptation of the PlusFour (the temptation or a need to substitute the 4/4,,not the temptation the PlusFour has in its own) because the 4/4 is the most decidedly "different" of all trades and most classically represents the old school. On the other hand, the new PlusFour is a bit more "similar" to the roadster, at least in terms of cost and engine power. Its driver is perhaps more sleepless in his thoughts. Also because the performance of the roadster calls for a more modern chassis. With the 4/4 no one calls out, it is a statement of another time, resting in itself, inspiring confidence.
Funnily taking my last sentence there is a similarity between the 4/4 and the PlusFour in terms of self confidence. Interesting contribution, Heinz. I think you are right to a large degree - the New Plus 4 is less likely to appeal to trad Plus 4 and, in particular, 4/4 owners. The new Plus 4 is closer to the Roadster in terms of power but my feeling is that most Roadster owners will not be tempted. The Roadster pushes the trad to the limits of its traditional set up, but it works and delivers that power whilst preserving those vintage driving characteristics we all love. And it's those vintage driving characteristics that I think will persuade most Roadster owners to stick with their cars. It's not just about the power for many Roadster owners but the vintage nature of the car and its handling. I'm not convinced that the new Plus 4 will offer anything more than a modern, safe and environmentally better car with modern handling characteristics and comforts that will make it easier to live with - and that it will be all the duller for it.
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David
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Would I? - Yes, it's a nice looking car with a modern underpining, I am sure it drives very well.
Will I? - Probably not - the cost to change is just too high from my current plus 4. The new price has move this firmly "upmarket"
But I look forward to driving one and comparing it to mine.
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I can wait for a CX Four/Four with a 140hp 3cyl Engine from BMW. So this might be a three/four by then. Or four/three?
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