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#63184 06/06/11 09:43 AM
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Hi all,
Having owned a Porsche Cayman for the last 4 years (which has been great), and got that out of my system, I am now looking for a driving experince that feels a little more special. After some reseach, I am falling in love with everytning Morgan stands for.

I am keen to buy new I think, given that the s/h market is so robust. I also like the idea of the involvement in the speccing of the car. With a budget of £30k ish it looks like the 4/4 Sport could be a great entree into Morgan ownership.

Any thoughts would be welcome

thanks


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Many of us ended up at Morgan for the same reasons you have stated and coming from ownership of similar cars (Porsche, Ferrari, etc); therefore, nothing you have said so far is out of the ordinary.

If I had to give you a few points to consider, these would be them (and are only my opinion and in no particular order): -

A 4/4 Sport, when compared to a Cayman, will not have the same level of daily usability. Could you use it daily? Of course; however, the key is that you probably wouldn't want to (mainly because Morgans are best enjoyed with the top down and the side-screens taken off. The Aero 8, with 'normal' style car side windows, is far easier to live with daily but is a different car to the 4/4 Sport (and also, the Aero 8, is no longer available new). However, if you are buying the Morgan as a weekend/nice day car, the above won't bother you.

If you purchase new - and in many cases, even if you buy preowned - you may still need to undertake some mild fettling to get the car 100% to your satisfaction. As post after post on this forum, and every other Morgan enthusiasts source, will illustrate, these hand-built cars can sometimes have very minor niggles. These usually aren't big issues but tend to be things like: getting the hood to fit right, minor rattles and other details that should get resolved at the first service (1,000 miles). Being hand built means that the cars loosen up with the first 1,000 miles and therefore, everything needs a good tighten and service after the break-in period. In essence, and my main point is (and something I wish the dealer of my first Morgan had told me), don't expect it to be a German car because it isn't. These aren't built like a Bosch fridge, dishwasher or washing machine, these are hand crafted products and anyone expecting immediate perfection may be disappointed.

Lastly, the community. The enthusiasts community are very warm and welcoming. Also, other road users respond (for the most part) positively to the Morgan - unlike any Porsche, BMW, etc I've owned. The community is a massive part of Morgan ownership and whether you get really involved or just know it is there if you need it, is a very positive part of ownership.

Where are you located? Who is your local dealer?

The first step is to go and test drive one. It may also be worth considering a test drive in a pre-owned Plus 4 (the 2.0 engine) as a comparison. Shopping for the car - new or old - is a also a large part of the fun of Morgan ownership. If you do buy new, make sure you visit the factory while your car is being built (a good dealer will be able to arrange this for you).


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As someone new to morgans who took delivery of a new 4/4 sport in April, I have to say I'm thrilled with it. What I was after was the vintage motoring experience without the tears, and as a promotional vehicle for my business (an english pub outside Paris. I have come from the opposite direction to you. Compared to my TVR the morgan feels truly crafted rather than bodged together in a shed. In this age of speed cameras & so on the attraction of a sports car that is fun even at sane speeds was also a plus, and the friendly reactions - smiles and waves -that it generates from other virtually all other road users will certainly be a big change from a porsche. I chose the 4/4 sport in particular because it seemed to be the most vintage in style with its narrow tyres & track & the black painted wheels, but also because it's low emissions offered fantastic tax advantages to me (as a "business" user - it is my company car). Unfortunately, this last point didn't work out quite as brilliantly as I'd planned, as when I ordered the car, it was homologated under euro IV emissions homologation at 140g/km and when it was delivered it had been re-homologated from Jan 1st under Euro V at 143g/km - doubling the tax as 140g was the break point. Anyhow, I digress. I love mine to bits, but I'm not sure that I could recommend it if it were to be your only vehicle.


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Hi Simon, thanks for your advice.

I totally agree this is a hugely different experience from the German set. To be honest that is a lot of the appeal. I am yearning for something with some real character!

The occasional use nature of Morgan isn't a problem for me either. It's a nice day car that I am really after - I have only done 12k in 4 years in the Cayman!

My view on niggles etc is that I expect them on a hand crafted car. I am less forgiving for a precision engineered German car that is produced largely by robot. There is no excuse there. Besides, the niggles are only an issue if you are not well looked after in terms of customer service, and from what I understand, Morgan dealers are better than most.

I will certainly arrange a factory tour both pre purchase and during the build. As you say,m embracing the whole experience, including the community is all part of it.

I am based in Aylesbury, Bucks. Not sure where nearest dealer is.

Your advice to test the 4/4 alongside the Plus 4 is good and I will do that. thanks


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Pandy,
very interesting thanks. I agree, wouldnt want it as an everyday car. Sounds like your ownership experience has been good so far.

Is your icon pic of your car?



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No, that's an off the shelf one. There are some pics of mine in the TM gallery.


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Originally Posted By Simon
Many of us ended up at Morgan for the same reasons you have stated and coming from ownership of similar cars (Porsche, Ferrari, etc); therefore, nothing you have said so far is out of the ordinary.

If I had to give you a few points to consider, these would be them (and are only my opinion and in no particular order): -

A 4/4 Sport, when compared to a Cayman, will not have the same level of daily usability. Could you use it daily? Of course; however, the key is that you probably wouldn't want to (mainly because Morgans are best enjoyed with the top down and the side-screens taken off. The Aero 8, with 'normal' style car side windows, is far easier to live with daily but is a different car to the 4/4 Sport (and also, the Aero 8, is no longer available new). However, if you are buying the Morgan as a weekend/nice day car, the above won't bother you.

If you purchase new - and in many cases, even if you buy preowned - you may still need to undertake some mild fettling to get the car 100% to your satisfaction. As post after post on this forum, and every other Morgan enthusiasts source, will illustrate, these hand-built cars can sometimes have very minor niggles. These usually aren't big issues but tend to be things like: getting the hood to fit right, minor rattles and other details that should get resolved at the first service (1,000 miles). Being hand built means that the cars loosen up with the first 1,000 miles and therefore, everything needs a good tighten and service after the break-in period. In essence, and my main point is (and something I wish the dealer of my first Morgan had told me), don't expect it to be a German car because it isn't. These aren't built like a Bosch fridge, dishwasher or washing machine, these are hand crafted products and anyone expecting immediate perfection may be disappointed.

Lastly, the community. The enthusiasts community are very warm and welcoming. Also, other road users respond (for the most part) positively to the Morgan - unlike any Porsche, BMW, etc I've owned. The community is a massive part of Morgan ownership and whether you get really involved or just know it is there if you need it, is a very positive part of ownership.

Where are you located? Who is your local dealer?

The first step is to go and test drive one. It may also be worth considering a test drive in a pre-owned Plus 4 (the 2.0 engine) as a comparison. Shopping for the car - new or old - is a also a large part of the fun of Morgan ownership. If you do buy new, make sure you visit the factory while your car is being built (a good dealer will be able to arrange this for you).


Simon,
I think what you say sums up exactly all the pros and cons in a balanced and sensible way So much so, I've even found myself agreeing with it! ( Now where did I put those tablets? dohcheers


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Originally Posted By bizfish
Hi Simon, thanks for your advice.

I totally agree this is a hugely different experience from the German set. To be honest that is a lot of the appeal. I am yearning for something with some real character!

The occasional use nature of Morgan isn't a problem for me either. It's a nice day car that I am really after - I have only done 12k in 4 years in the Cayman!

My view on niggles etc is that I expect them on a hand crafted car. I am less forgiving for a precision engineered German car that is produced largely by robot. There is no excuse there. Besides, the niggles are only an issue if you are not well looked after in terms of customer service, and from what I understand, Morgan dealers are better than most.

I will certainly arrange a factory tour both pre purchase and during the build. As you say,m embracing the whole experience, including the community is all part of it.

I am based in Aylesbury, Bucks. Not sure where nearest dealer is.

Your advice to test the 4/4 alongside the Plus 4 is good and I will do that. thanks


Sounds like you have a good grasp on what to expect from an ownership experience and realistic expectations.

We've debated modern 911s on the site on many occasions - we have quite a few members who own one alongside their Morgan - and the word that gets bandied around, which the Morgan has and most mainstream 911s/Caymans/Boxsters are missing, is soul. A difficult word to define but I believe it boils down to: sense of occasion, the feeling of owning something unique, the hand crafted nature of the product, a modicum of eccentricity and a wonderful driving experience which isn't perfect but is more thrilling than any modern safety-net enabled car; all of these things are very Morgan qualities.

And before you think I'm knocking Porsche, I am not. I am still very much an admirer of their cars and will own another in the future; however, I just never felt like mine were special enough to be a weekend car (I'm excluding the niche RS and GT3 (and perhaps GT2) from this synopsis).

Reference dealer locations: there is a map on www.morgan-motor.co.uk with the dealership locations. SGT aren't too far away from you (Julian Cutts is the contact there).

The key is to decide if you want to buy new, or new in stock or preowned.

As the 4/4 Sport is built in the standard Sport colours, you may find a dealer who has one in stock and ready to go in the colour you want: Phil Ledgerwood a RPM Morgan did have stock a few weeks ago.

Equally, and as above, you may want to go through the build process and be able to watch your car being built.

Good luck and any other questions, ask away smile

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Hi Bizfish,
I agree with Simon, "test the plus4". But I would go one step further, try a Roadster and a plus8 as well!! They are very different cars to drive. Buying new is nice because you can have a fun with the spec, but less so with the Sport models. Buying a used Morgan might increase your options and most Morgans are well looked after. They often improve with first ownership as the initial niggles are sorted. Whatever you do, I am sure you will enjoy it. Cheers J

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Originally Posted By GLLHG
Originally Posted By Simon
Many of us ended up at Morgan for the same reasons you have stated and coming from ownership of similar cars (Porsche, Ferrari, etc); therefore, nothing you have said so far is out of the ordinary.

If I had to give you a few points to consider, these would be them (and are only my opinion and in no particular order): -

A 4/4 Sport, when compared to a Cayman, will not have the same level of daily usability. Could you use it daily? Of course; however, the key is that you probably wouldn't want to (mainly because Morgans are best enjoyed with the top down and the side-screens taken off. The Aero 8, with 'normal' style car side windows, is far easier to live with daily but is a different car to the 4/4 Sport (and also, the Aero 8, is no longer available new). However, if you are buying the Morgan as a weekend/nice day car, the above won't bother you.

If you purchase new - and in many cases, even if you buy preowned - you may still need to undertake some mild fettling to get the car 100% to your satisfaction. As post after post on this forum, and every other Morgan enthusiasts source, will illustrate, these hand-built cars can sometimes have very minor niggles. These usually aren't big issues but tend to be things like: getting the hood to fit right, minor rattles and other details that should get resolved at the first service (1,000 miles). Being hand built means that the cars loosen up with the first 1,000 miles and therefore, everything needs a good tighten and service after the break-in period. In essence, and my main point is (and something I wish the dealer of my first Morgan had told me), don't expect it to be a German car because it isn't. These aren't built like a Bosch fridge, dishwasher or washing machine, these are hand crafted products and anyone expecting immediate perfection may be disappointed.

Lastly, the community. The enthusiasts community are very warm and welcoming. Also, other road users respond (for the most part) positively to the Morgan - unlike any Porsche, BMW, etc I've owned. The community is a massive part of Morgan ownership and whether you get really involved or just know it is there if you need it, is a very positive part of ownership.

Where are you located? Who is your local dealer?

The first step is to go and test drive one. It may also be worth considering a test drive in a pre-owned Plus 4 (the 2.0 engine) as a comparison. Shopping for the car - new or old - is a also a large part of the fun of Morgan ownership. If you do buy new, make sure you visit the factory while your car is being built (a good dealer will be able to arrange this for you).


Simon,
I think what you say sums up exactly all the pros and cons in a balanced and sensible way So much so, I've even found myself agreeing with it! ( Now where did I put those tablets? dohcheers

What is happening here, has Gerwyn been on the happy baccy or has he just regressed? I think we should be told...


P.S. Also is this his first post on Mog's without a side-swipe at Aero's!


Brian

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