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Just a word of warning on Caparo brakes.
Parts of their brake pad separated on my new 4/4 after less than 5Ks (see photo). I discovered this purely by chance before anything more serious happened. I believe Caparo brakes were fitted to Morgans after 2008 so as a precaution, check them regularly particularly with new cars.
Replacements were fitted under warranty and while Caparo did respond to my first email to say they would be in contact further emails and a letter have gone unanswered.

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Originally Posted By OZ 4/4
Just a word of warning on Caparo brakes.
Parts of their brake pad separated on my new 4/4 after less than 5Ks (see photo). I discovered this purely by chance before anything more serious happened. I believe Caparo brakes were fitted to Morgans after 2008 so as a precaution, check them regularly particularly with new cars.
Replacements were fitted under warranty and while Caparo did respond to my first email to say they would be in contact further emails and a letter have gone unanswered.



Wow, that is seriosly scarey scared
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Well spotted. Good that you caught it.


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Worth a read on the quality of Caparo Brakes...
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/brakehistory.html#POST-2008


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Originally Posted By OZ 4/4
Worth a read on the quality of Caparo Brakes...
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/brakehistory.html#POST-2008


Good info but I'd be a little better pleased if the writer ( Lorne Goldman from the attribution( was a little bit more accurate himself in what he says. He comments:
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WATCHPOINT: For some time, one of the UK forums, TalkMorgan, has erroneously reported that the current Morgan brake supplier is a division of Brembo called AP Racing Ltd of Coventry. This is not correct. And though AP RACING LTD is a fine company by all accounts, they have never supplied Morgan. They asked us to place this advisory in hope of ending the confusion that has resulted and stopping the technical inquiries they have received. They asked us to point out that if calipers have AP RACING in large letters on them, they are made by AP Racing. If they have CAPARO written on them, they are made by Caparo. Brakes are the most important safety items on any vehicle. Be absolutely sure of the quality of your information source in this area. "


I don't know if we have other replies on TM about this, but in my own earlier post what I said was:

"The situation used to be that everything was under the AP banner ( in fact, originally it was AP Lockheed) They were based in Coventry.

The AP company was split up, and a separate high performance road car and racing division was created, called "AP Racing Limited". The AP Racing company was sold to Brembo, and in their (Brembo) published corporate structure, AP Racing Ltd are a 100% owned subsidiary of Brembo.

The lesser mortals of the former AP company were, I think, sold to the Rover Group, ( the story goes that this was to enable the continued supply for black cabs, and Range Rovers!) After a few more twists and turns, this is what ended up as Caparo AP

Mr Goldman, is either wilfully mis- stating what I said or perhaps needs to check his facts.

Put simply, the author of the GoMog piece is insinuating that TMers did not know the true picture when in fact accurate information had been available on TM at least six months before he claimed to the contrary. he also seems to be suggesting that "They" ( is he referring to Caparo, AP Racing or MMC?) had asked for this advisory to be placed because there had been a constant stream of enquries from misinformed TMers whose incorrct information had to be corrected by the company in question. In fact, my information had not been gained by enquries to Caparo, AP Racing or MMC

The true position as seen from the facts of the posts is this.

My post was dated June 2011 whereas Goldman's GoMog piece was 'updated July 2012' so for over a year previous to his post, the accurate facts had been availbale on TM for anyone who wished to read it


The information in the post did not come from Caparo or MMC but from one of the best racing brake engineers in the UK,The only point I rasied - and it was with Caparo, was what if any advantage I mightr gain by repalcing my exisiting brakes with the Caparo Billet models

Could I respectfully suggest therefore that the GoMog piece is a tad ingenuous to say the least It is certainly discourteous and makes out that posts on TM cannot be relied upon when it comes to technical information. I resent that


Sorry to be nitpicking here but as a lawyer I need to get my facts correct at all times. As a member of the same profession, I would expect that Lorne Goldman does no less mad2

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Originally Posted By GLLHG
Sorry to be nitpicking here but as a lawyer I need to get my facts correct at all times. As a member of the same profession, I would expect that Lorne Goldman does no less mad2
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Why would you expect him to start now? He also has history in misquoting.

It is interesting that in his 'correction' to TM he states AP Racing have never supplied Morgan, when all three of my Morgans have had AP Racing brakes laugh2


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Sorry to be nitpicking here but as a lawyer I need to get my facts correct at all times. As a member of the same profession, I would expect that Lorne Goldman does no less mad2
GLLHG


Why would you expect him to start now? He also has history in misquoting.

It is interesting that in his 'correction' to TM he states AP Racing have never supplied Morgan, when all three of my Morgans have had AP Racing brakes laugh2


Thanks Andy. What really brasses me off is that although I know my posts can be more than a little acerbic, they are always based on the best technical info I can find- and I pride myself on that. To have some self- appointed guru peddling dud info - especially in such a self-important way, really gets to me
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Brakes are an important and it appears contentious issue. The Gomog post covers some important areas s for consideration especially for new car owners, the post continues:-

In 2008, the Morgan Motor Company moved to new 4-pot brake calipers, also supplied by Caparo. In 2011 I decided to upgrade one of my Plus 8s (a 1990) from the earlier 2 pot calipers (1978-1993) to these 4 pot calipers. I leap-frogged the calipers used from 1993-2008. The new calipers will fit, with some fiddling and a small washer/spacer. They also use the same pads as the 1993-2008s. However, there is a watchpoint. Caparo said that they did not receive any feedback from the Morgan Motor Company and the pads sit proud of the rotor. Over time, a thin lip is formed, getting ever deeper with usage. This caused concern to the Caparo engineers. However, we checked with the Factory and they say they chamfer that edge at first service or the pads checked to see whether the issue has been addressed since 2011. This task should be added to first service on all new cars after 2008. Chamfering pads (and shoes) is not a rare task on any car with a savvy owner. It reduces the possibility of a piece of breaking materiel cracking off the sharp edge and causing mischief and noise. When I left Caparo, they hoped to receive instructions from Morgan to adjust the dimensions of the pads they provide and eliminate this problem but I have had no word since then.

Anyone know what is the current situation?


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Brake Malfunction-
Looks like I may get a response from Morgan to day!


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Brake malfunction - May be not. holiday break...

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